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Over decades as an avid Tom petty fan, it sickens me to se his face plastered over promotional materials like this with his lyrics. For whatever reason it just feels so contrary to who he was and how he felt about commercial endeavors. Especially posthumously to continue to push products is in poor taste. 
 
Just listen to his song “For Real”. Do you think the person who wrote that would be looking down at these promo materials with favor? I think not. 
 
What do you think?

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5 hours ago, Nourdna said:

What do you think?

I think you're right. Between all the tacky brand merch stunts, archival photage video fests and what was revealed from the lawsuit documents, it seems a lot of the impulses, no matter how genuine and heartfelt in origin, proove to be badly misguided, ego oriented and backwards prioritized. If by accident so. Thank goodness someone stood up and helped shaping AAT into becoming about the music and the legacy of the man that created it, because other than that, so far it's a grim prospect we're looking at, waist deep in swag, repackaging and cheap tricks.

But let's be hopeful, that once they all had their ya-ya' s out in terms of personal visions, projects and agendas, made a bit more name for themselves and used the stuff a few more times, maybe there will again be focus on what matters.. the music genius and music processes of Tom's.

(Also, playing the devil's advocate here.. let's not forget there where hoodies, bags and keychains over the years, other stunts too.. back when the captain was still behind the wheels himself - sure, some kinda marketing must be ok, even at this point, so.......)

But sure, I agree.. I wish they put a lot less prio on the swag bazaar from here on out.. Would be a tasteful move, all things considered.. To me it just doesn't rhyme to question the Heartbreakers' involvement (and their judgement?) or agenda, or too stall releases of quality dignified archival stuff and at the same time sign OK to all the crap with logos slapped on.  And they worry about honouring Tom....!?!

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This screams young social media/marketer was hired in for cheap to do X to promote Y. Management is out of touch and has no idea what to do but they are scrambling to make whatever they can off the fallout of Tom passing. 

You can tell how disorganized things are behind the scenes since nothing of quality is happening, and the timing of all promos are all over the place. No consistency and no real messaging or reasoning to engage with TPATH stuff.

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FWIW, When Tom was still with us, he was very hands on (staging, merch, cover art etc). Every form of artistic expression relative to his music was intentional and deliberate. This is slipshod &  amateurish., undermining his integrity as a artist in every sense. I hope his family and the Heartbreakers get more rigorous in  maintaining the integrity of his good name.

 

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No offense, but they sold out (or bought in, depending on your view) after they teamed up with LiveNation and Ticketmaster and that dates all the way back to 05-06 after the Last DJ knocked them down to a nostalgia act in the public eye from then on out.

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Mmmm... "Quit Jammin' me"?

Oh, I think they're only warming up...anyone could quote any number of lyrics out of context & to make it look like Tom Petty was aiming to be a genius at advertising & sales... as if he wanted to sell his songs as the background for orange juice commercials. (Horrified gasp.)

But, obviously, if you consider the whole song in context you get a different story... We all know he was a genius songwriter working closely with genius musicians to create consistently awesome music. 

Ok, so, let me put this claim of mine to the test & see what I can do if I "borrow" some lines from a couple of albums? Randomly selects Southern Accents & Let Me Up (I've Had Enough) and scans lyrics...

  • whatever you're looking for 
  • i know what you want, but it's a surprise (Let Me Up)
  • It's something I want, babe, it's more than that, it's something I need (How Many More Days)
  • everyone could mail -order tickets / yeah you could sell a lot of shirts for the last picture show (All Mixed Up)
  • Buys them old records that they sell on TV (My Life / Your World) 
  • You'd make me a millionaire (The Damage You've Done)
  • deliver me, deliver me
  • how many more days? 
  • Baby nothing's guaranteed (Jammin' Me)
  • I woke up this morning, there was a car in the drive (Let Me Up)

Personally, my wish is "Please don't play around with this heart of mine." 🎸🎹🎼🐊🐝

 

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On May 10, 2019 at 11:30 AM, Nourdna said:
Over decades as an avid Tom petty fan, it sickens me to se his face plastered over promotional materials like this with his lyrics. For whatever reason it just feels so contrary to who he was and how he felt about commercial endeavors. Especially posthumously to continue to push products is in poor taste. 
Just listen to his song “For Real”. Do you think the person who wrote that would be looking down at these promo materials with favor? I think not. 
What do you think?

 I respect where you're coming from. Who can say what he'd think about it, I don't know. For my taste these products look unappealing and haphazardly thrown together.

Generally I'm against milking the fans for every conceivable dollar and preying upon completionist's impulses when it comes to records or souvenir items; but with that everyone draws the line in a different spot I suppose.

 I saw this from a rollingstone article on Zeppelin:

“There is a thirst for discovery on an artist celebrating its 50th anniversary,” Fraser-Harding tells Rolling Stone. “It’s about creating the right tools to educate and broaden the horizons for the potential consumer. We’ve got to think about the consumer and how they react. Sometimes, it’s a question of how we make something out of nothing.”

 That's how these things go unless an artist and or his executors are super strict and disciplined; I guess if one gets higher quality releases (unreleased songs, All The Rest) etc. then that's a bonus considering how these things can go, as from that quote "...make something out of nothing." 

On May 10, 2019 at 9:29 PM, Farmer101 said:

This screams young social media/marketer was hired in for cheap to do X to promote Y. Management is out of touch and has no idea what to do but they are scrambling to make whatever they can off the fallout of Tom passing. 

You can tell how disorganized things are behind the scenes since nothing of quality is happening, and the timing of all promos are all over the place. No consistency and no real messaging or reasoning to engage with TPATH stuff.

I pretty much agree.

On May 10, 2019 at 5:14 PM, Shelter said:

let's not forget there where hoodies, bags and keychains over the years, other stunts too.. back when the captain was still behind the wheels himself - sure, some kinda marketing must be ok, even at this point, so......

I never had Tom on a pedestal despite the whole Hard Promises stand he took, or even if they kept their tickets reasonably priced. Perhaps there were more boundaries set up to keep these sorts of things in line when he was alive, which seems to make sense. Since everything with the lawsuits have come out it seems like they're won't be any "messaging or reasoning" till things are sorted out one way or another.

And even if there is a deluge of further greatest hits and reissued material, I hope the unreleased tracks in addition to All The Rest as best as Tom completed it,  float to the surface as well.

cheers

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Speaking of merchandise is reminding my of a half-remembered story about Rolling Stones various accountants have told me. Jump in when you know what I'm trying to remember!

Allegedly, early on, back in the 1960s, Mick Jagger looks at the numbers after a USA tour... and realises they made more money from tshirts than from ticket sales. Partly because they're paying a cut from ticket sales to promoters, venue hire, so really they only get what's left over. Whereas, they only need to pay out to the tshirt makers & printers & people on the merch tables.... and the band gets all the rest. Plus it's a firm of advertising (before Instagram influencers).

Against that, they can't just sell t-shirts. Nor do they want to. They're a band & full of creative fire & just trying to stay solvent. Principle is: Better the music & the performance, the more t-shirts they sell. But those t-shirts etc do create a solid income stream, a cushion between them & the bailiffs. 

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I'm cross posting this as its pertinent to multiple threads....

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ny-tom-petty-trust-dispute-explodes-again-20190530-enb4ex73efgudekwwqxtjaz2ly-story.html

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The war over Tom Petty’s estate is spilling over into claims his eldest daughter wanted to use the late rocker’s face to promote consumer products akin to Paul Newman’s salad dressing.

Petty’s widow Dana, 54, filed new court paperwork Wednesday alleging her stepdaughter Adria, 44, was undermining Petty’s legacy with “unconscionable” actions such as pushing the consumer products plan, demanding a rented office she later abandoned and unilaterally rejecting “a lucrative offer" for an anniversary box set honoring her dad’s iconic Wildflowers album.

Adria wanted to authorize Tom’s name and likeness to be used to promote products akin to Paul Newman, whose face adorns bottles of salad dressing and so on. But Tom would never have permitted such a thing,” the lengthy filing obtained by the Daily News said.

“He never ‘sold out’ while he was alive and refused to do any such thing despite numerous opportunities,” the filing said.

In the paperwork submitted by her lawyer Adam Streisand, Dana said she’s tried to collaborate with Adria and Petty’s younger daughter Annakim on plans for the trust even though she was named sole trustee and handed the responsibility of setting up the company to manage the trust’s artistic assets.

I just don't get this as Annikim has been posting on Instagram since this started about "not selling out" but it seems from this the girls were selling out while Dana was staying true to Toms legacy.  

 

And what the hell does Tom have to do with "consumer product plan????"   I just cant.... 😢

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On 5/11/2019 at 5:15 PM, martin03345 said:

No offense, but they sold out (or bought in, depending on your view) after they teamed up with LiveNation and Ticketmaster and that dates all the way back to 05-06 after the Last DJ knocked them down to a nostalgia act in the public eye from then on out.

Just gonna put that there again after those new polos came out. Nothing says rock n' roll like a nice polo shirt. Does it come with TPATH New Balance sneakers as well?

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If it's done by the "Estate" in good taste, who cares? It's their property and right to sell it. Look at how many people still by John Lennon products after 40 years! This is nothing new and it won't stop in our lifetimes! Get used to it, as Tom once said "Money Is King".

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^ Although in his defence, he didn't mean that as encouragement, right...

But yeah, I suppose "good taste" is key, rather than do or don't. However.. taste.. is a b... really. For example, I personally find 9 out of 10 official store TP 'things' to be decidedly awful. At least, 'taste' is not a word that strikes my mind. But I know others love it and cherish their Torpedo tumblers and Learning to Fly frisbees as their most prized possessions, so who am I to say really.

Like you say, just look what's being done to Bowie, Lennon, Elvis Cobain and the lot of them... most is unofficial crap, surely, but still..

You're right, either way there's no stopping it. All you can hope for is the official stuff to be of top quality and style..... and we're back at square one, to quote a phrase... In the best of worlds I'd personally prefer if the estate didn't feel the need to hustle this stuff at all, that theyd keep well above t-shirts now when the actual game is sadly but truly over, that managing the rights to the catalogue and wise investments of existing funds would keep them wealthy enough to.. 'let it be', to quote another....

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  • Paul Newman only uses his image on those products to create money so he can donate it right back again. 
  • Is that the plan here? Adria Petty's setting up a 100% charitable foundation? 

From the Paul Newman website: image.png.815c738c59956d407878e2404a3d7861.png

Not long into the New Year the neighbours’ supply ran low, and they came knocking – no, pounding – on the door, demanding more. An accommodating guy, Paul acquiesced. The business flourished beyond expectation and, as demand increased, Paul decided to donate profits to worthy causes.

Today our salad dressings and other products are best sellers around the world with 100% of the after-tax profits of Newman’s Own and Paul Newman’s Own going to charity.  Thousands of charities around the world have received funding from Paul Newman and Newman’s Own Foundation with over US $500 million given worldwide

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7 hours ago, TomFest said:

I don't know about Tom Petty salad dressing, but how about some "Learning To Fry" cookware in the store?  

 

I lost a good amount of my drink reading this comment.  Thanks for the laugh that I needed today!!

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18 hours ago, TomFest said:

I don't know about Tom Petty salad dressing, but how about some "Learning To Fry" cookware in the store?  

You are not thinking big enough here....  Instructional video DVDs and a cook book would be a must for the series. ;) 

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1.  Jammin' Me - a new range of fruit preserves

2.  Mary Jane's 'Very' Last Dance   -  The ultimate in Garden Weed-killer

3.  'Breakdown' - Roadside Assist Insurance Products

4.  'American Curl' - Hair styling products

5.  'You Wreck Me' - Household Contents Insurance for damage and theft.

 

 

 

 

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On 5/30/2019 at 2:49 PM, Hoodoo Man said:

I'm cross posting this as its pertinent to multiple threads....

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ny-tom-petty-trust-dispute-explodes-again-20190530-enb4ex73efgudekwwqxtjaz2ly-story.html

I just don't get this as Annikim has been posting on Instagram since this started about "not selling out" but it seems from this the girls were selling out while Dana was staying true to Toms legacy.  

 

And what the hell does Tom have to do with "consumer product plan????"   I just cant.... 😢

Tbh, I think Tom's death has been appallingly handled by a lot of parties close to him. None of this is conducive to preserving TP's legacy as I believe he would have wished - that reflects his wishes or his character. These thing are as follows:

 

1.  Stevie NIcks and FM kicking out Lindsey Buckingham to replace him with Mike Campbell.  Just cruel and unjustified, even if good for MC himself. Tom was not a cruel person - anything but. I doubt he would have agreed with Stevie's actions at all.

2.  Stevie Nicks and FM constantly parading TP's death on stage - as part of the grieving process - long after he had died. SN seems exploitative to me in doing this. Tacky really.

3.  The Petty household being too eager, too keen and too quick to release a flood of commemorative record releases based on his back catalogue of material. Too grabby and too soon for much of it. 

4.  Annakim's abysmal open displays of grieving by photographing herself with mascara running down her cheeks and putting it up on Instagram.  Classy, huh! Nope, just silly and childish not to mention undignified. Grieving is something you do in private not on instagram.

5.  Annakim's appalling and shocking inarticulate abusive rant at Rolling Stone who misreported TP's death before it had taken place. Classy, huh" Er..Nope.The sentiment was laudible but her way of expressing it most certainly wasn't. TP was articulate and expressed himself well. From her horrible foul mouthed rant, I found it difficult to believe they'd come from the same gene pool. 

6.  That silly, trivial Q&A sessions the two girls did recently sharing their father's personal habits and private tastes. His favourite coffee, his cereal munching habits etc. If TP was so inclined to do this sort of thing, wouldn't he have done this whilst he was still alive? Again, this is the sort of thing you'd expect to read in  a teen magazine about a hearthrob boyband member, not a well revered, well respected musician of several decades who had worked alongside top rate musicians like Dylan, Harrison etc. Does anyone know what George Harrison's favourite colour is, whether he enjoys cornflakes in the morning? I don't. Nor do I care.

7.  Now the bickering between the two girls and Dana over the TP musical catalogue. Seems Adria is a bit 'unhinged' according to Dana. I'm inclined to agree. There is no way that TP would want his legacy commodified in this way to promote food products. It just cheapens what he was about.  

Poor Tom must be turning in his grave at all of this. Such undignified behaviours by those closest to him. For the record, I am far more inclined to believe that Dana has her late hubby's interests at heart than the the two girls. Don't ask me why - I just do. She hasn't really put a hair out of place since he died and TP seemed switched on enough to know what he was doing when he drew up his Estate Plan. 

 

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