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Massive bummer!

And everyone here let out a collective, heartbreaking “Noooooooooooooooooo!”

The key players in maintaining and championing the future of Tom’s legacy are Dana, Adria, Annakim, Mike, Ben and Ryan U. All pretty awesome people.

And the one’s apparently at odds (most visible) at the moment are the first 3 mentioned.

The important thing to remember here is that there’s always 3 sides to every story (or six). As fans looking in from the outside, we have no clue as to what’s happening or being said behind the scenes. We don’t experience the drama, tension and sadness first hand. No use taking sides. I’m certainly not going to call any of them evil. We can only speculate and add our own thoughts to the mix (which, at the end of the day is potentially futile, and sometimes not constructive).

That being said (ha ha), here’s a perspective.

Each of these 6 individuals were a vital part of Tom’s life. Obviously. No one’s arguing that. In fact, we’re thankful for these people like we were for Tom. They were in Tom’s camp. His inner circle. His family!

Each of them should absolutely have a say as to what goes down from here on out. As to how the story unfolds. Each should have sway, as their opinions, convictions and beliefs matter! Is it any surprise that all 6 of them might have completely different ideas and desires to bring to the table?

 

Adria: "Hey, here’s what I’m thinking. You know, my dad wrote so many awesome songs besides all those massive big hits! We should spotlight more on the lesser known but equally great songs, and put out a collection of rare/overlooked/underappreciated songs. Also known as hidden gems, or deep cuts. I’ve always loved Keeping Me Alive! What about Waiting for Tonight!? Oh my goodness, the list will be endless. Could be a 3 disc set!"

Dana: “Guys, we totally need to do a 25th Anniversary Wildflowers release, since this was the last project Tom was working on for the last few years! It’s perfect timing for this year. Come on, we all know how much this album meant to Tom, and the fans as well.”

Annakim: "I have any idea. How about a release we call “Tom Petty: Peace and Love”, and we collect tracks that have a running theme about how groovy, mellow and chill our dad was. Here’s a few off the top of my head that we could include: Something in the Air, Alright For Now, A Higher Place, …what do you think? Can you dig it? And we could do more themed releases….like Tom Petty: Songs for Stoners….yeah!"

Mike: “Hey guys, how about that Fillmore ’97 run? I think every show was recorded, was it not? There’s some good stuff on there! Shoot, maybe it could be a 26 disc box set, of every show. I don't know...I think the fans would like that…"

Ben: "Yeah, what Mike said."

Ryan U: "Guys, can I come up from the Tape Basement now? I’ve been down here for weeks now. I think you forgot about me. At any rate, dang, the Heartbreakers were a GREAT LIVE BAND. How about a staggered series of digital only concert releases? Premium bootlegs. We could pick one show from ever tour, chronologically. Release one like every month. You know, call it Tom’s Live Treasure. Charge $10 buck a digital download. Kinda like how Springsteen does it. What a novel idea! BTW, I found this song called “For Real.” Check it out…

 

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My point…all good! We say yes!

I have to believe that their intentions are good, emotions are raw, and convictions are strong. And that combination is creating an impasse. Maybe they aren’t quite able to see through the haze right now because of their loss. The forest through the trees. They are hurting and grieving, they are devastated by the untimely passing of Tom. It’s understandable. It’s simply hard to imagine a world without Tom Petty in it. It’s a terrible thought, and a sad reality.

So here we are.

We all want Tom back. We all cherish the man and his music. We all get super excited about the thought of new TPATH music coming out.

The saddest thing is the apparent inability or unwillingness to choose to come together for the greater good. Are they not able to put aside some personal ideas and ideals to make it work for all? Everyone sufferers as a result of this, yes, even the fans.

It’s always so unfortunate when it goes down in public like this. It has the potential to do irreversible damage to family relationships, which is sad. Once these things get set in motion, it’s hard to go back.

For the love of Tom…

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Yeah.... Nah, sorry, but I think you cut them way too much slack. 😁

Alright. We all know they suffer and we all feel bad for them. It's horrible. Ok. So, of course you are right in all you say, and also very diplomatic. Good for you. Personally, I really think there are a few nuances more to it all than you are willing to admit, not all of them being that hidden or vague either. In short, things may be both more complicated and more simple.

This is not primarily about passing judgement, quite right. Moreover, there are no winners. My previous post being sarcastic by design - and the obvious existence of additional and so far unknown information - all aside, from whatever little we actually DO know, I really think this is fairly obviously a matter of some people being more naturally talented at separating the personal and the professional.

Simple as that. I mean, it's not simple, everyone deals with personal grief and loss in very different ways, true. That is all endlessly complex. But not everyone let their inner turmoil cloud their professional judgement years after a tragedy, not everyone lets pride and passion override their need for humble considerations, for help and respectful treatment of key players/partners/employees or whatever it may be.

Sure, many sides to a story and all that. Just saying. They all feel this loss on both many and surely very different levels, no one's hurt is more real than anyone's else. But as far as the management of the estate goes, it seem the professional considerations and decorum have to be dealt with by someone measured to the task.

You judge for yourself what all key persons involved, that you mention, have said and done, and there should materialize a pattern where I think this separation of private and professional will be visible as dividing line.

As for them having different ideas, that is all fine. I wish it was as simple as that, and maybe to a degree it might be. Still here too some ideas, at least to me, seem more like semi private monuments, involving their personal name and perspective (He wrote this for me!), while others may be more focused on Tom's music and song writing, performing, recirding processes side of the legacy. Again.. the divide in perspective..

But even if it's just me seeing it this way, why then, at least don't they start with the stuff Tom himself was working on/focused on.. why not prioritize the few things they know about his wishes, before they start to fight over wether there should first be an Adria & Kim commentary tracked editions of all the old albums or if it's Adria's semi hinted idea of checking out the Southern Accents vaults, the Complete Filmore, unreleased Hypnotic Eye or whatever will be up for the challenge..whatever they think dignified enough to put TP on it. BUT, again, first things first, starting with what we know, would be the sane and reasonable way, to me. But they choose to stall even that before they got that obvious one out of the way, because they have so many ideas, of equal merit (as you imply and I think not) Not very promising, all in all.. And again, some professional, neutral management.. like someone suggested early on, my be a swell idea...? Is that so hard to swallow?

All I know is, like I said. I'm about had it. By their conduct, they kill whatever little fun and hope there was, being a Tom Petty fan in a world without Tom. It's all very shameful and I'm not sure when we'll all get over this bummer, as you call it. A word somehow slightly lightweight, all things considered.

 

 

PS. On a more specific level, it's just too ironic that Adria accuses Dana of essentially "losing" money on behalf of the estate, knowing what we know of Adria's own agenda, ideas and behaviour thus far. In fact, many of the legal arguments themselves seem mildly counter logic at best. (Dana is greedy and thinks the trust is all about money. Dana doesn't earn the trust enough money.) 

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Yeah.... Nah, sorry, but I think you cut them way too much slack. We all know they suffer and we all feel bad for them. It's horrible. Ok. So, of course you are right in all you say, and also very diplomatic. Good for you. Personally, I really think there are a few nuances more to it all than you are willing to admit, not all of which is that hidden or vague either. In short, things may be both more complicated and more simple.

This is not primarily about passing judgement, quite right. Moreover, there are no winners. My previous post being sarcastic by design - and the obvious existence of additional and so far unknown information - all aside, from whatever little we actually DO know, I really think this is fairly obviously a matter of some people being more naturally talented at separating the personal and the professional.

Simple as that. I mean, it's not simple, everyone deals with personal grief and loss in very different ways, true. That is all endlessly complex. But not everyone let their inner turmoil cloud their professional judgement years after a tragedy, not everyone lets pride and passion override their need for humble considerations, for help and respectful treatment of key players/partners/employees or whatever it may be.

Sure, many sides to a story and all that. Just saying. They all feel this loss on both many and surely very different levels, no one's hurt is more real than anyone's else. But as far as the management of the estate goes, it seem the professional considerations and decorum have to be dealt with by someone measured to the task.

You judge for yourself what all key persons involved, that you mention, have said and done, and there should materialize a pattern where I think this separation of private and professional will be visible as dividing line.

As for them having different ideas, that is all fine. I wish it was as simple as that, and maybe to a degree it might be. Still here too some ideas, at least to me, seem more like semi private monuments, involving their personal name and perspective (He wrote this for me!), while others may be more focused on Tom's music and song writing, performing, recirding processes side of the legacy. Again.. the divide in perspective.. But even if it's just me seeing it this way, why then, at least don't they start with the stuff Tom himself was working on/focused on.. why not prioritize the few things they know about his wishes, before they start to fight over wether there should first be an Adria & Kim commentary tracked editions of all the old albums, or if it's Adria's semi hinted idea of checking out the Southern Accents vaults, the Complete Filmore, unreleased Hypnotic Eye or whatever will be up for the challenge.. First things first, starting with what we know, would be the sane and reasonable way, to me, but they choose to stall even before they got that out of the way. Not very promising. And again, some professional, neutral management.. like someone suggested early on, my be a swell idea...?

All I know is, like I said. I'm about had it. By their conduct, they kill whatever little fun and hope there was, being a Tom Petty fan in a world without Tom. It's all very shameful and I'm not sure when we'll all get over this bummer, as you call it. A word somehow slightly lightweight, all things considered.

 

 

PS. On a more specific level, it's just too ironic that Adria accuses Dana of essentially "losing" money on behalf of the estate, knowing what we know of Adria's own agenda, ideas and behaviour thus far. In fact, many of the legal arguments themselves seem mildly counter logic at best. (Dana is greedy and thinks the trust is all about money. Dana doesn't earn the trust enough money.) 

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34 minutes ago, Shelter said:

I'm not sure when we'll all get over this bummer, as you call it. A word somehow slightly lightweight, all things considered.

That's why I used the word 'massive' before 'bummer!!!" :)

The different parties involved obviously have very STRONG and OPPOSING opinions on what should be released, how and when/moving forward/curating the catalog, etc.

And it seems that Adria is exhibiting her fathers' traits/stance in the matter (aka. WE DON'T SELL OUT. WE DON'T BACK DOWN. WE DO IT FOR REAL.)

Just look at how difficult it was to manage/cooperate/arrange the release of the first 2 posthumus TP projects (as we now find out what was really going on)

Yikes.

Sad that it's heading/headed in this direction. And I agree it takes the fun (or joy even) out of it...

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:(

... TPATH created so much in 40 wonderful years ... we have all that music & good memories ... even if  people associated with it all seem to now be in a time of great confusion.  We have high expectations, and that's because they've always been so amazingly wonderful. 

All the best to them all. But in all honesty, the ones I care about & respect most are the creative core of band - Mike & Benmont. And the team of people like Ryan. Hope this isn't crushing their souls too. Otherwise, I feel, well, what Shelter said. 

I don't know bout you guys, but to me this whole ordeal have made me lost a lot of my interest in whatever they decide to do from here on out.. They have already kinda ruined all the fun, all the hope for something good coming (alright) despite our loss of Tom.

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admin & management awfulness :(

PS If this was a tv series or series of movies it'd be like

  • "Uh-huh, I love the original 40 year series. But this attempt at a spin-off sequel seems to be trash.  Whatever the issues, overall the team of creators is changing too much & is too scattered in their vision. Worse, they seem to be losing sight of the essential qualities* that made the original series so compelling & much-loved."

In an ideal world, in the absence of lovely badass Tom Petty,❤️  they'd be consulting people (like, say, Ron Howard or Tom Hanks) who do understand what it is to be "good people in the public eye" & much beloved for a whole career. No doubt, including how to sort out tricky management stuff out without creating mass damage.  Or HEY, do more than consult Mike ❤️& Benmont.❤️

* and fans' good-will. 

 

Anyway, any of this admin & management awfulness just can't damage what's already been created in those 40+ years...to an extent, this is hurting some people's reputations, not the band's rep. For me...

But yeah, like you all (posts above) I worry about how other on-lookers (who don't follow the band that much) will be seeing this hot mess unroll. I expected more, so am very disappointed in the way they are managing things. Surely, people can do much better than they currently are. 

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14 hours ago, RedfordCowboy said:

And it seems that Adria is exhibiting her fathers' traits/stance in the matter (aka. WE DON'T SELL OUT. WE DON'T BACK DOWN. WE DO IT FOR REAL.)

At least it's fairly obvious she inherited a certain inclination for total control. (The difference between her and her dad, though, is that his strive for exclusive control was limited to his own work, his own name. Rightfully so.)

As for the big statements and big letters, who am I to say what is balanced and reasonable and what is phrases and emotions. I've already spoke my piece about the difference between dealing with Tom's legacy as a loving dad or husband and managing his legacy as a professional legendary and iconic artist, and the importance of keeping the balance in the most worthy yet professional way.    

No matter how we read "professional", there, I'm sure they are all truly keen on the "worthy" aspect. (Another irony then, that it all has come to this deeply unworthy display...) I'm sure they have the best for Tom's legacy in mind, all of them, if at different levels and what seem (at least to me) like different dimensions.

But let's just leave this here.. no point arguing. To me words and action over-ride excellence-by-association, "They were all close to Tom, they must all be great in every way." But I give.. I suppose I have lesser and more vague proof of the general character of Dana's efforts here (the way I understand her as guided by humility and respect for ALL key players - including the actual players and people who actually know these things - as well as a comparatively distinct music oriented outlook on how to publicly honouring the legacy of Tom the artist - regardless of how she may deal with her loss of Tom the man in private) than I suppose you must have of the Petty daughters being such "pretty awesome people". I know their dad was awesome. I know the Heartbreakers were, and still are. The rest of it was just faint hopes for more awesomeness to come.. 

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Well, its impossible to know when Adria spoke to Rolling Stone in regards to the release of the new video "For Real" but at best her quote from that article seems disingenuous in light of the counter suit she just filed.  The whole thing leaves me sad. Clearly Tom never expected this to be such an issue. I don't want to take sides its ridiculous as we are all Petty Fans on both sides of this coin. I just wish both parties would honor his legacy slow their roll on pushing merch and take their time and maybe not be so public in their dispute. 

I came to the sad realization yesterday that the days of me seeing "shed shows" are mostly behind me. I might go see the Who, but I have no real interest in Fleetwood Mac, I might have gone to see them had they picked any song but Free Fallin to honor Tom. That song has more than worn thin for me over the years and sounds like a funeral dirge on the live recordings than an upbeat tribute. This band brought me a magic in live shows that can't compare stagnant set lists aside Tom and the boys were amazing performers.

I still go out and see people like John Hiatt and Buddy Guy still shreds for someone that is 82 years young.  Musically speaking most of the people I want to see are doing smaller more intimate venues which does me fine rather than paying $300 for a single seat.   I will happily line up to see Ben or The DK if they come to Boston but this is really the end of an era and its hitting a rather sour note with the infighting we are witness to. :( 

 

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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/tom-petty-for-real-video-adria-petty-interview-832522/

A bump in the road arrived in April, when both Dana Petty (Petty’s second wife) and Adria each filed petitions in Los Angeles court about the handling of Tom’s estate. The paperwork included copies of heated emails from Adria, who calls the media firestorm that ensued “the biggest nothing-burger of all time.” She adds, “Have I been frustrated at times? Yes. We’re trying to figure out how to work with everybody’s advisors and lawyers. We all love each other and we all work pretty great together when we speak directly to each other. It’s been a difficult time. But I’ve seen remarkable changes in my family in the best of ways because of this, and I’ve seen a lot of catharsis and healing in the last 16 months.

“I’m one of four partners [Dana Petty, Petty’s first wife Jane Benyo Petty, and Jane’s daughters Adria and Annakim], and the convergence of the partnership has yet to begin, but I look forward to being able to do all that,” she continues. “I have no doubt in my mind everything is going to work out. From the bottom of my heart, I love Dana and my family. And I love the Heartbreakers. They’re my family too. It’s just going to take a minute for everyone to catch their breath.”

 

 

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it seems adria is really grieving and it's clouding her a little,  it also seems she went to the press as her lawsuit which seems to have less meat, but is getting more national coverage (cnn, rolling stone etc)  It also seems best of everything was delayed multiple times because of her why was her video just released  three months after it came out (she does make great videos) 

Is merchandise either one of them isn't that just live nation (who younger tom petty would say older tom petty) sold out to running all that.  I don't like the ads but I do want more TOM PETY HODDIES AND T SHIRTS I don't think anything is wrong with that.

Bottom line is November is 25 years wildflowers all the rest should be released tom would have I believe if he was still with us.  release that than decide the great future and let the heartbreakers be heard maybe mike and benmont should get a vote two

Lastily adria seems to be struggling with why he died if you read the rolling stone interview and I agree how does a recovered heroin and cocaine addict get fenthyel with out at least a dr 24/7 supervison. 

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On May 16, 2019 at 9:21 AM, Shelter said:

I don't know bout you guys, but to me this whole ordeal have made me lost a lot of my interest in whatever they decide to do from here on out.. They have already kinda ruined all the fun, all the hope for something good coming (alright) despite our loss of Tom.

Two points:

 

#2) Eventually these songs will be released, money and the record companies will see to that but it does make All The Rest seem pushed even further back. 

 

#1) I understand how you feel. Things went from friendly, enthused promotions for AAT to a sudden ugly affair. Could kill anyone's enthusiasm understandably. I figure law suits will be forgotten songs (ha!) if/when these promised albums are finally released. But in the meantime I get why even discussing it feels like picking at a pus filled sore.

fini

 

 

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