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Heart continues to break. Can't imagine how his family and friends feel. Still can't grasp that there won't be another show or another album. God bless him for everything he gave to everyone!!! Rest in peace.ūüėʬ†

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5 hours ago, Marion said:

It sounds like Tom was taking an awful lot of different medications. I'm dealing with my husband's illness right now and he has to take so many medications at different times of the day I had to make a spreadsheet to keep track of everything, what they are for and when to take them. It's hard and very easy to get confused.  I can't imagine trying to sort all that out when you are on heavy duty pain meds.  I only take two pills myself and sometimes I can't remember if I took them or not. I can see how Tom could get confused  or he is just plain hurting so bad he took a little more than he was supposed to. 

I truly believe that he did that last tour because he wanted to. Mike said in that Birthday interview that he was a truly a happy man and he was having a great time.¬†He was doing what he loved right to the very end. ¬†‚̧ԳŹ ¬†I don't think skipping the tour would have made any difference. ¬†He may have overdosed but to me it was the damn cigarettes that killed him because that habit caused all of his medical issues and he couldn't kick it. ¬†That was the real addiction. It is just so sad. ūüėü

Agreed on all points. 

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15 hours ago, wild1forever said:

Who knows, perhaps he knew in his gut that the end was coming, and he preferred to spend it doing what he loved rather than laying on the couch.

This was my instinct too..I was hoping that whatever was ailing Tom was something that he could control/get over/beat away somehow but sometimes it's just not possible. All we can do is take comfort and inspiration in the music he has left us.

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Well, smoking most assuredly caused his emphysema. And it could have contributed to his coronary artery disease, High cholesterol was probably the main culprit there.  But I don't think smoking was directly or remotely the cause of his hip fracture.  Tom also suffered from joint issues in his knees. That, too, likely had nothing to do with smoking.  His knee pain was most likely  caused by arthritis.  He used to put a lot of pressure and stress on his knees performing years ago.   Knee injuries occurring in one's youth, likely results in arthritis later on. I know, because I use to put a lot of stress on my knees when I was younger. Now I have very painful arthritis in both knees.  I was never a smoker.  

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Well, I'm not gonna play doctor. But I will  repeat a very common medical fact regarding joint problems, as well as osteoporosis; AGE plays a major role bone health. Tom's autopsy didn't include any information on whether or not he had osteoporosis,  If it did, then I missed that.  We have known, since his death, that Tom fractured his hip shortly before the tour was to begin.  I know some fans think that postponing the tour in order to  repair or replace Tom's hip would not have made any difference. That is, some people think Tom would have died on October 2 either way!  

I don't feel that way at all. I know what horrific joint paint feels like. I choose to deal it without  painkillers. But then, I'm not a musician performing lengthy tour. Tom lived with both, knee pain and a fractured hip. He obviously was in debilitating pain.  Now, my opinion isjust my opinion. But I think that IF Tom had postponed the tour and had surgery to repair his hip, he would not have needed high doses of pain meds.  I don't think his medical issues were so severe that they could not have been treated. Personally, and this is just my observation, I think the overuse of pain meds killed our beloved Tom.  Not his medical problems. 

(Sorry for this discombobulated post^. But I couldn't make any corrections for some reason. )  

I also was to add that I don't think Tom had a drug problem. I just think his pain was too much and he seems to have relied too much on pain meds....obviously overdosing. 

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Hurts me more than his actual death. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to give a former heroin addict a combination of benzodiazepines - both alprazolam (Xanax) and temazepam (Restoril) are those - and opioids? The two combined are dangerous. Did they decide that the benefits outweigh the risks? I don't know. I'm crying now, because - well, him dying is one thing, but it possibly being preventable, that's even worse. 

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45 minutes ago, nobodyinparticular said:

Hurts me more than his actual death. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to give a former heroin addict a combination of benzodiazepines - both alprazolam (Xanax) and temazepam (Restoril) are those - and opioids? The two combined are dangerous. Did they decide that the benefits outweigh the risks? I don't know. I'm crying now, because - well, him dying is one thing, but it possibly being preventable, that's even worse. 

Yep. It kind of added another layer of sadness. Dammit.

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5 hours ago, nobodyinparticular said:

Hurts me more than his actual death. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to give a former heroin addict a combination of benzodiazepines - both alprazolam (Xanax) and temazepam (Restoril) are those - and opioids? The two combined are dangerous. Did they decide that the benefits outweigh the risks? I don't know. I'm crying now, because - well, him dying is one thing, but it possibly being preventable, that's even worse. 

I agree with this to some extent, but I've been wondering if his doctor(s) was even aware of this...
Even to many of his friends, his heroin issues were in the dark until 2015 when Warren Zanes' book was released. 
It's possible his doctors weren't even aware of this, especially if he felt ashamed of it or something. 
I'm not saying this is the case, but it is a possibility. Many people are not as open as they should be with their doctors. 
And even then, even if people are open with their doctors, there's a majority chance that the doctor is careless. 
I have to travel an hour by car to get to my Primary Care Doctor and two hours by car to get to my specialist doctor. 
I am within one hour of both Cincinnati and Dayton, and yet I have been unable to find good, reliable doctors in my area. 
It has been disappointing to me and eye-opening seeing the standard of care many doctors practice. 
Not only that, I've come to learn that many standard tests are not always reliable either, like the serum tests for magnesium, potassium, etc. 

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Thank you for the expression of sadness many of us are feeling. It helps to know that others are grieving... again.

The use of opioids is frightening to me. Personally, I'm allergic to them and most narcotics, so I've learned to use alternate methods for pain relief from migraines, surgery, etc.

My brother takes opioids for chronic pain. One of the requirements is also a script for narcan  (reversal agent) and education about using these drugs. Reading that coroner's report made me call him to check on him, as he's alone while his family is on vacation. (He wasn't feeling well enough to go on the trip.) So, releived he is doing ok.

One of my students died of an overdose a week after graduation last year.  (Yes, I'm a teacher.) Many of us are deeply affected by these preventable tragedies. I can't stand the thought of another one.  So please continue to share your love and support for everyone.

 

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10 hours ago, Liberty said:

I agree with this to some extent, but I've been wondering if his doctor(s) was even aware of this...
Even to many of his friends, his heroin issues were in the dark until 2015 when Warren Zanes' book was released. 
It's possible his doctors weren't even aware of this, especially if he felt ashamed of it or something. 
I'm not saying this is the case, but it is a possibility. Many people are not as open as they should be with their doctors. 
And even then, even if people are open with their doctors, there's a majority chance that the doctor is careless. 
I have to travel an hour by car to get to my Primary Care Doctor and two hours by car to get to my specialist doctor. 
I am within one hour of both Cincinnati and Dayton, and yet I have been unable to find good, reliable doctors in my area. 
It has been disappointing to me and eye-opening seeing the standard of care many doctors practice. 
Not only that, I've come to learn that many standard tests are not always reliable either, like the serum tests for magnesium, potassium, etc. 

Sadly, this is one of the drugs listed on Tom's toxicity report that likely was not prescribed by his doctor:

Acetylfentanyl (acetyl fentanyl) is an opioid analgesic drug that is ananalog of fentanyl.[4] Studies have estimated acetylfentanyl to be fifteen times more potent than morphine.[5][6] It has never been licensed for medical use and instead only been sold as a designer drug. 

We can question doctors for prescribing, both, oxycodone and fentanyl to a recovering heroin addict, but acetyl fentanyl and.,  I think, despropionyl fentanyl were likely acquired elsewhere. 

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20 hours ago, nobodyinparticular said:

Hurts me more than his actual death. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to give a former heroin addict a combination of benzodiazepines - both alprazolam (Xanax) and temazepam (Restoril) are those - and opioids? The two combined are dangerous. Did they decide that the benefits outweigh the risks? I don't know. I'm crying now, because - well, him dying is one thing, but it possibly being preventable, that's even worse. 

I think it hurts worse because it ripped open again a wound that hadn't had a chance to heal. 

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I got here as soon as I could... I just saw the statement Dana had put out earlier today (Monday) and it made me ache to read it.  I was saddened to read that it wasn't just cardiac arrest... but meds taken for a fractured hip, that actually broke.  Mercy me... that explains his obvious discomfort in Atlanta; but he played so good that night, sang so good, acted like he was having a good time - most of the time.  I saw the band watching him and by the end of the evening suspected that he wasn't feeling 100%. Bless his heart, as we say down South.

What Marion said is right, those were an awful lot of different meds - and those damn cigarettes... my aunt died from emphysema and people, that is an awful way to go.  He was headed down a long, awful road with that condition alone... :(  

How nice to be able to discuss this sad thing with you people.  Good company, ya are. 

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4 hours ago, Nel said:

Sadly, this is one of the drugs listed on Tom's toxicity report that likely was not prescribed by his doctor:

Acetylfentanyl (acetyl fentanyl) is an opioid analgesic drug that is ananalog of fentanyl.[4] Studies have estimated acetylfentanyl to be fifteen times more potent than morphine.[5][6] It has never been licensed for medical use and instead only been sold as a designer drug. 

We can question doctors for prescribing, both, oxycodone and fentanyl to a recovering heroin addict, but acetyl fentanyl and.,  I think, despropionyl fentanyl were likely acquired elsewhere. 

Even excluding the Fentanyl, it's a sketchy mix. I truly hope that someday we can have safer means of pain relief. 

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"Thomas Earl Petty lived a million lifetimes in one. He over came much psychic pain from an abusive childhood by transforming his anger into the greatest rock n roll band ever. My dad in the past openly overcame a crippling drug problem with no shame. His recent death is tragic yet he died from doing what he loved and what will continue to keep his spirit alive. Touring with a broken hip because he would have it no other way. He loved performing. There are no hypothetical questions I love my dad and feel he is an immortal badass. The amount of pain his hip caused was beyond a normal surgery. He is at peace out of painūüĖ§I thank you for respecting my family‚Äôs privacy and inviting love during this shocking new chapter. My dad loved his life and left behind so much love in his music for us to share. Invite love listen to Tom Petty. He passed away with his family in a room filled with love. I feel very connected to himūüĖ§give love to everyone you meet we are connected by love¬†#invitelove¬†much love to you and much love to u dadūüĖ§‚ö°ÔłŹūüĖ§"

 

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I never for a minute thought he was addicted to these drugs.  I just can't understand why, if he was in such pain, he didn't just call 911. 

Guess we'll never know now the answers.  Poor man.  He did the best he could.  It's just that he went way too soon.

His daughter looks just like him.

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On January 20, 2018 at 3:37 AM, Shelter said:

the music he never played and the music still inside him for records to come.

At the moment this is about as comfortable as I get commenting on this. It feels weird to talk about another's life and death decisions, especially someone I never shared a single conversation with. Thank God I've remained free of this opioid situation and thus remain ignorant of the drugs involved.

3 minutes ago, Lorra said:

he didn't just call 911. 

That remains a mystery to me as well. It's all quite sad.

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31 minutes ago, Lorra said:

I never for a minute thought he was addicted to these drugs.  I just can't understand why, if he was in such pain, he didn't just call 911. 

Guess we'll never know now the answers.  Poor man.  He did the best he could.  It's just that he went way too soon.

His daughter looks just like him.

It never entered my mind that he was addicted, either. I do not think he was.
But I can understand the not wanting to call 911 thing. I've had episodes of paralysis, etc. but I'm just stubborn and don't see how anyone in an emergency room could help. On top of that, if I was a public figure like Tom, I wouldn't want people knowing I was there, and so on. I don't know, really. I do not like ERs. Perhaps he thought he could manage the pain on his own without the help of a doctor. 
I'm not saying this is the case... but we all know Tom was a beautifully stubborn person. He is gone too soon. I'm glad he has loved ones to carry on his memory and we have music to share with out loved ones. <3  

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1 hour ago, Liberty said:

It never entered my mind that he was addicted, either. I do not think he was.
But I can understand the not wanting to call 911 thing. I've had episodes of paralysis, etc. but I'm just stubborn and don't see how anyone in an emergency room could help. On top of that, if I was a public figure like Tom, I wouldn't want people knowing I was there, and so on. I don't know, really. I do not like ERs. Perhaps he thought he could manage the pain on his own without the help of a doctor. 
I'm not saying this is the case... but we all know Tom was a beautifully stubborn person. He is gone too soon. I'm glad he has loved ones to carry on his memory and we have music to share with out loved ones. <3  

I thought of that too after I made my post - he doesn't (didn't ) have the luxury of anonymity.  He may have thought he could take care of things himself.

 

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