I completely agree. I had never heard the song before, and when I listened to it for the first time when this was announced, I still didn't hear it.
I mean, TPATH was trying to do Bo Diddley when they were doing American Girl... this is a stretch and seems coincidental at best, to me. Though, I have never heard of Sam Smith...
But apparently it's up for a Grammy or two, and if Sam Smith wins, TP/JL do not get a Grammy. That was another statement released.
I don't think the strong opinions are completely unfounded. I tend to agree I have a hard time hearing it and making a connection between the two songs. Knowing that Tom seems to be a stand up guy, I think he truly hears and believes it. Maybe he can hear something different being a great song writer? I think this brings up a question. How do you really prove someone took something from someone else, given the millions of songs there are?
Yeah, sorry Tom I don't hear it. It's slighty similar but not close enough to get more than a teeny tiny royalty. I'd be embarassed to ask for money for that. He didn't make the Red Hot Chilli Peppers pay. I just think this is kind a out of character for Tom and I don't think it's becoming of his character.
There was a discussion years ago on the old Tom Petty board about plagairism. At that time there was a big fuss about the Red Hot Chili Peppers snagging a melody or something from Tom's Mary Jane's Last Dance. Anyway, some of us pointed out that Tom's, "Breakdown," more than resembled an early 1960's song by....I think, The Animals (or maybe Van Morrison when he was with the band, Them). I can't recall the song. However, when both songs were posted for the benefit of the discussion, there was absolutely no doubt that Breakdown sounded far too much like the song that from the early '60's to be a mere coincidence. I don't recall anyone suing Tom. Musicians borrow from one another frequently. Often, it's not intentional. But sometimes it is.
(By the way, I saw a Kraft BBQ sauce commercial on TV recently with used a pared down version of Wildflowers in the background. Didn't Tom say he'd never allow his music to be commercialzed? I don't know, maybe he's not aware of it.)
HA! Thanks Nurk. I get emails from Beef OBradys all the time but I have not let myself have wings in two years. We still go there every Friday but I get grilled chicken. The day I have my wings again is when I reach my weight loss goal. The good news for me is I am just a few pounds away from that goal. It may be very soon! Maybe next week!
More than you wanted to know, right? But I'm excited! LOL!
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Obviously, I'm not gonna attend this tour. Being literally oceans apart from any TP venue, the price is just one of several reasons. W/r/t above posts on the topic though, I would like to add - underline, as it were - that not everything simply is as it is for some sort of undeniable or unavoidable reason. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing, to quote a phrase. For us to allow ourselves to be used, fooled, enslaved, taken for a ride or any choice of words and angles or combinations thereof. Obviously the band needs to compensate for not earning on record sales no more* and we do have the inflation aspect. Those are true and good reason for ticket prices to go up compare to the "old days". So is the higher level of technology, number of crew/staff involved and so on.
However - numbers, sanity and mere decency suggest that all those variables still don't explain more than half of the price, tops. What explains the rest, what weigh the equation over to less honorable vaiables such as greed and "because you can"-factors, are the oversized and self-serving middle men organisations such as LiveNation. Their role, much thanks to their semi-monopoly mentioned above, is not only important to produce a tour/show - but it's largely blown out of proportion in financial terms, a giant bubble of empty numbers they just "need" to get the job done. They are the real rock stars of our times. Believe it or not. Personal high brass greed, unethic business models and insane profit margins forces the consumer/fan to pay double for the experience, even when all the real reasons for pricing is taken into account. That way they use and stretch the artist-fan bond to the max and in the process all but ruins the whole thing as far as I'm concerned. But again.. this doesn't happen by law of nature. Artist actually can chose who and what agencies to work with, what rules, ideals and financial and environmental etical limitations can and should be applied to a deal. And fans can choose not to pay for any type of golden circle mentality or for any type of unhealthy behaviour of the business. Consumer power is always bigger and more powerful than we think - even though we seldom feel inclined to use it as long as we ourselves can consume limitless - but it surely can't be right or righteous that only wealthy people can go to shows - or poor people who sell their kidneys - it can't be right that rockers should help the likes of LiveNation to slowly (and possibly self destructively, since they kill off it's own customers, income class by income class, raising the bar) but seemingly deliberatly widen the gap between people even more than the market and the politicians have already managed to do. Call me weird, but I don't see it to be the task of a rock star to help that development.
That said, I don't mean to say rock'n'roll is a human right that should be free for all. Again there are good reasons that live shows costs money. The question though- when all the facts and expenses are weighed- how much money is reasonable and who and how many is it reasonable for a traveling band to feed and who and how many to stuff the pockets on? Of course, as long as there is loads and loads of people willing to neglect these bad implications of LiveNation type monopolies, enough people willing to pay proportionally more to LiveNation's extra multiprofit (that strengthen their brand and make it even less likely that any artist can resist them in the future.. and so on.. ) than we pay to the artist for the music or the crew and LiveNation for their actual work... Point is that as long as $300, $500 or even $5000 tickets can sell out a show chanses are they will keep on doing it, at least if their hearts and minds are messed up, and they have isolated themselves from the bigger picture. In fact, this possibility - this LiveNation-fueled power that bands are given must be kinda spellbinding - and it actually puts even more weight of the unbalanced equation over to the artist side. The fan can only decide to buy or not to buy, but the artist decides what the game is, what to sell and how to sell it, what fans they like, how many, how rich and why they are in this business in the first place - to play, to entertain, to make money or all of the above, presumably. There is choice. There is no rule that adds 50% or 100% or 500% to any given true cake that's gonna be sliced and sold.
At the end of the day I guess it comes down to real integrity, as opposed to band image or imaginary dependence on murky dealers. Just cause the marked "just works that way" doesn't mean that's the only way it works. There it plenty proof of that going round, plenty or real rock'n'roll behaviour in the rock'n'roll world for any true fan to really take lightly the logic of business spokespersons, in- or outside a band organisation. I suppose it's better to have 100 billionair fans than millions of poor, but things don't have to be quite so badly twisted out of proportion as it has been in latter era LiveNation days. That's all I'm saying. There comes a time when I can't go see rock'n'roll no more and when rock'n'roll is gated community pleasure. Just look around. Decide for yourself how close to that we are at this moment and how well you like it. Maybe it's the poor buggers outside the gate who will really need the survival kit.
(So far TPHB hasn't exactly over stepped, I'd say. Either in terms of price or in terms of ethics. To judge from their image and most of their dealings it's even quite the opposite, thank goodness. Even though I do think in recent years they at times have choosen part of their partners with a strangely stretched logic compared to their outspoken standards.)
*That most selling artists don't get paid accordingly anymore is due to the fact that a similar logic to the one just mentioned for LiveNation - the logic of incompetence, greed and unetcical behaviour - apply for the record companies as well. A business that already was infamous for being crooked has really went overboard in the name of "new technology". Their tardiness when it comes to understanding (let alone help developing) new media outlets and modern ways to legally and profitably spread music has been - and still is - stunning. I mean, first internet pirates robbed the artists of part of their income, now they get brutally abused and flayed from their own industry. Other story that. But it sure doesn't help the outlook of the live show business that acts don't get paid properly for being on Spotify, Amazon and and Itunes. It is a bad game with evil player it seems. I feel most bad for the small artists. And to some extent the fans. The bigger artist, I suppose, have more responsability to use their name and commercial power to set things a bit straighter and if possible take the worst examples - the big companies that are most likely to have hi-jacked the artist's good name already - and slowly try to put them out of business and leave way for a healthier and potentially more profitable way of doing business. (If, for example LiveNation would keep a healthier profit level, the result could easily be a 10% raise for the artist and 25% drop of the ticket price.. very generally calculated to illustrate my over all point. And this is not only idealism on my part, I have business insight and even know clever econimists who agree this is a badly derailed market even in terms of money, since greed can only take you that far. The implication for the lust and inspiration, the power and groove of the music and the creative minds.. I dare not even think about.
I think my days of traveling around to see shows will be few and far between. It's just too expensive anymore. What used to cost under $200 to fly away for the weekend is now close to $500. It's just too much when you throw in hotel and car. It's sad!