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  1. mikemono

    Wildflowers (the album) and a bunch of other stuff

    Interestingly, "You Wreck Me" dropped out of the 2010 tour pretty early on. When it was played at the first few shows, it was in its usual spot as the first song of the encore. When it got dropped, however, "Runnin' Down a Dream" got moved from being the final song of the main set to the first song of the encore. This precedent was set in 2008 because "You Wreck Me" was the tour opener on that tour. In 2010, that pattern continued: "Refugee" closed the man set and "Runnin'" started the encore.
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    Best Live Version of Mary Jane's Last Dance

    ^ Martin, like myself, is from upstate NY. He's referring to the July 2002 Saratoga Performing Arts Center show. Loved seeing Tom at that venue; he played some real gems there over the years (the July 2001 show has a pretty varied setlist, too, as that show is the the only time the band covered "Stop Breaking Down"). The first time I saw him there, in 2005, he even whipped out "Angel Dream" <3, which was rarely played outside small venue shows
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    Wildflowers (the album) and a bunch of other stuff

    I didn't notice that. Yes, there are bootlegs of some of those Fillmore shows with Perkins, and that song was played then. It is entirely different from the one on You're Gonna Get It! I'm still not convinced the original TPHB song "Restless" - as distinguished by the bluesy Perkins one - was ever played in concert.
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    Wildflowers (the album) and a bunch of other stuff

    I'm pretty confident "Restless" never was played and that that it is just posted on that site in error. I'm similarly not convinced that "Rockin' Around (With You)" was played once in 1977, as setlistfm claims. I bet it was first played at the two Irvine CA shows in 1983 (with one of the nights' recording of "Rockin'" making it onto Pack Up The Plantation). I think people's memories from the late 70s and early 80s is finicky and unreliable, and that's why there's so much discrepancy among early set lists/dating. "Hurt" has, interestingly, always been included on that set list fm set. Given the versatility of the show they played the night before, it's not necessarily out of the realm of possibility that they played "Hurt" that night, but it just as easily could have been confused with "No Second Thoughts" (which did occasionally appear in the sets on that tour, including the set from the night before). Seems like we will never know! As for "Letting You Go," I remember someone on the old TPHB bbs in the early 00s said they did hear it being played at a show in 1981, but unfortunately that show wasn't circulating among bootleggers so there's no way to confirm that. As for "The Same Old You" and the 12-10-82 show, I can confirm that the song was played and that 12-10 is indeed the correct date that it was played. I don't have the full show, but I know that it previously circulated among traders years ago, and was of pretty poor quality, so I was always discouraged from seeking it out. Good eye! I am the one who updated the sets on both db.etree and setlist fm. And a recording of the song DOES exist: I have one! Though I don't have the full show, this one song from that night made it onto a bootleg compilation that some old TPHB bbs'ers circulated over a decade ago. It's a pretty sparse and muffled recording, and you mostly only hear the cowbell of the drums backing TP's rhythm guitar. I just uploaded it to my YouTube channel. Perhaps @Marion has the full show in her archive somewhere? The shows were mislabeled when they were originally posted to Dime a Dozen. My guess is that this was done purposefully in order to prevent the shows from being taken down (remember that Dime doesn't allow you to post shows with officially released tracks on them). I have contacted the people who added the 12-10-82 show to their db.etree lists and it seems that they paid more attention to date than venue when adding the show to their lists, as they have all, in error, mistaken it for the 12-09 show, and they do not have the ACTUAL 12-10 show with "Same Old You" on it. Upon consulting the very accurate tour itinerary on the Petty Archives, you can see that these are the surrounding European dates you're talking about (* next to shows hat are known to have been bootlegged): 1982-12-07 Wembley Stadium London [mislabeled by bootleggers as 12.12.82)* 1982-12-08 Manchester England* 1982-12-09 Edinburgh Scotland [mislabeled by bootleggers as 12.10.82]* 1982-12-10 Coventry England* 1982-12-12 Brighton England 1982-12-14 München Germany*
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    11/26/06 show?

    I think this show was added to that site in error. I've seen it as the only time "Depended on You" was played and I just don't buy it. One-off shows that were played outside of main tours were usually advertised to some extent, however minimal, and this one wasn't. Even the time Tom played "American Girl" solo at a birthday party made it to the news. Plus, lots of people have posted stuff on setlist fm that I've tried to keep track of and report as false. For instance, someone has recently added "For Real" to the end of every 'Echo' tour set list (insert eye roll emoji here). Tom was definitely very burnt out by the end of the 2006 tour; he acknowledged that he only did it because of the occasion of the 30th anniversary and in a Rolling Stone interview from that year said that he wouldn't tour again. So to add a show at the end of 2006 after a lengthy tour seems unlikely on Tom and the band's part. Thankfully, we know that the lack of desire to tour sentiment didn't wind up being true. But my guess is that the only performance of a rare song ("Depending on You") wouldn't be for a one-off show, and that they definitely wouldn't do a one-off show outside of CA or NY, or without significant financial incentive (though of course I could be wrong, since apparently She's the One material was performed at a benefit. But, that album didn't get a tour, so different logic may apply.) The performance of "Southern Accents" randomly, as well as "A Face in the Crowd" (which would be performed for the first time more than a decade in 2008), makes the set list even more suspect. More than this, the set list order didn't follow any kind of template of a previous set, and, let's face it, the band didn't really mix up sets (especially ends, i.e. "Refugee" and "Runnin' Down a Dream" as ending songs before / or part of encores) that much.
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    New TPATH Releases

    I think all parties are aware of the importance of the Wildflowers project to Tom's musical legacy, as it's been brought up by Mike and Adria in various interviews since Tom's passing. In the Facebook live video before The Best of Everything's release, Adria didn't mention Wildflowers in particular, but she did say she wanted to give both An American Treasure and The Best of Everything time to breathe before new material was going to be released. In the last hour, Annakim posted on Instagram that "We don't sell out," which may be a message to Dana. Given that this TMZ article frames Dana -- and not Adria and/or Annakim -- as the person who wants access to the Wildflowers material for a twenty-fifth anniversary edition, it seems that she wants the music within a certain time frame; it doesn't necessarily imply that anyone is opposed to the eventual release of the material. So, in addition to potentially figuring out who (individually) should execute Tom's wishes and run his estate, it seems that the timing of releases -- when as opposed to what stuff is going to be released -- is a central issue for all party's involved.
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    Wildflowers (all the rest) tracks?

    In the last portion of the last interview Tom ever gave he intimated that this tour/re-release of the album was never off the table. And, as Tony Dimitriades confirmed, Tom had asked him to start planning the tour by inviting people out on the road with them in support of both the old/familiar and the "new" incarnation of the album, including Norah Jones. Also, I think the fact that there were 5 out 19 songs every night of the last tour (not just the one night you mentioned) from Wildflowers was not *that* unusual given Tom's conceiving of, selecting songs for, or formatting of his concerts' setlists post-Wildflowers, and that it is probably indicative of Tom's pervasive awe of or feeling that he would never "top" this album. Indeed, since 2003, a high portion of the songs that the band played in concert came from that album: in 2003, at the April Chicago shows, we got "Wake Up Time" and "Crawling Back to You"; in 2005, "Crawling Back to You" and "Honey Bee" were in the rotation and in 2006 "It's Good to be King" and "Cabin Down Below" were, too. Meanwhile, "You Don't Know How it Feels" and "You Wreck Me" were mainstays of the sets all those years -- which means, for instance, that in 2006 in Saratoga NY, and in 2008 at MSG, the band did 4 songs from Wildflowers. In fact, out of the 12 times I saw the band, there was only one show in 2013 that they did less than 3 songs from Wildflowers. It is, however, true that 2017 was probably the first time since the 1995 "Dogs on the Run" tour that the band played 5 songs from Wildflowers. And it is also noteworthy that there was a "mini set" in the middle of that tour for the album (like there was on the tour in support of Mojo in 2010). Importantly, though, if you look at the sets of the first few nights of the 2017 tour, particularly the opening night, the Wildflowers songs were not grouped together, so that clearly was a decision Tom made in the midst of the tour and not before it began. I can't help but think, then, that the turn to doing 5 Wildflowers songs in 2017 is less of a compromise and more of a culmination of Tom's long-standing, prideful (in a good way) thoughts on the album. On a side note, what I always found interesting about the 2006 tour is that was the first tour I saw the band play four songs from Wildflowers songs in the set, and that was when the band was ostensibly supposed to be celebrating their 30th anniversary or promoting Highway Companion. I therefore think that any time there was a free slot of songs, or any time Tom felt particularly "celebratory" (the 30th and 40th anniversary tours), Tom often turned to what he seemed to be most proud of.
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    Thoughts on Playback

    @MaryJanes2ndLastDance the band did play "Come On Down to My House" at the 8-27-95 show at Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio as a sort of preview to the upcoming boxset. The set list from that night looks amazing, so if that was the show you were at -- or a night somewhere around that time -- then you definitely were in for a real treat!
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    Wildflowers BOX set and Filmore release potential!

    ^ I got this video from the Petty Live site! There, under videos, he posted both the 'God Bless Our Mobile Home' documentary (where this clip comes from) and a 'Dogs With Wings' tour promo documentary -- both of which aired on VH1 in 1995 -- that has some overlap with '400 Days.'
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    "Echo" from March 13, 1999

    I posted the whole show to Dime A Dozen about a year ago, so it's on there as a torrent if you know how to download torrents. Otherwise, I think the Live Petty site took my rip of it and posted it to their site. And....upon looking...it looks like they did! https://livepetty.com/1999-03-13-san-francisco-ca-aud/ This show was a really weird one. Tom started playing "Learning to Fly" and then stopped midway, but I can't remember during which song that's tracked onto in this version (possibly "The Letter"?). In any case, the show's got a great set list: lots of cool covers that they frequently played on their early 1999 shows as well one of the first performances of "Sweet William" can be found towards the show's end. Enjoy!
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    Question on Tom Petty Book

    Well, if you read a revised version then it seems you know something more than we do, haha. On his Facebook page, Paul Zollo did announce that a revised/expanded edition of his 2005 book is in the works with the original press but no official news has been released as to this new edition yet.
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    The song "Strangered in the Night"

    Yes! He did change it to "crazy big guy," "big bastard" etc. on the 13th, until one time in the end of that performance he slipped up and didn't follow that line change. The performance of the 17th isn't as politically correct, though. Another song that has uncomfortable sentiments, I think, is "Kings Road" with the "there were people all around wearing funny looking clothes / Some boys, some girls, some I don't know." But with the rise of the modern era's (finally) accepting of people of different genders and sexual orientations, it becomes all the more clear that art develops and changes over time as culture does.
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    Your Favorite TP&TH Cover Songs

    I've been combing through my bootlegs to pull out some rare covers that the band performed throughout the years. Am slowly posting these songs to YouTube; many of these were only performed once! Here are some, which have already been mentioned in this thread: The Left Banke's "Pretty Ballerina" 1981-10-02 [performed 2 other times: 1981-09-18 and 19] Shirley Ellis' "The Clapping Song" 2006-06-14 [only performance of the song] Gram Parsons' "I Can't Dance" 1983-06-10 [only performance of the song] Johnny Cash's "I Still Miss Someone" 2000-10-28 [only performance of the song]
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    Did Tom ever do a solo acoustic show?

    In Conversations with Tom Petty and other venues Tom talked about how he was more comfortable with a band, and that he doesn't actually think fondly of the one solo acoustic show that he ever did: the 1986 BSB show. Despite this, it's still an interesting listen! It's the only performance of "Twist and Shout" he ever did.
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    The Double LP That Tom Never Had

    "Tonight Will/Might Be My Night" was performed frequently during the 1986 tour with Bob Dylan, and yes he did often say it was going to be on the next album. The main riff for the song actually became the solo in "Mary Jane's Last Dance." "Ain't Enough Money" was performed twice on the Temple in Flames 1987 tour: on 9-19 and 10-4. I posted the audio of the 10-4 show to the "Best of Everything" forum here a few months ago and 9-19 is available on The Traders' Den. The version from the 10-4 show is superior to the 9-19 one, in my opinion. "Goodbye Little Rich Girl" was performed almost every night during that same tour, and so many audio versions of the song exist. A video of the song can be found at the video I pasted below at the 47 minute mark. Out of these three songs it's the one I go back and listen to the least. These three songs are definitely bluesier than anything that wound up on Let Me Up, so perhaps that's why they were left off the album. Who knows!
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    The Brigde School Benefit Thread

    Really beautiful cover performed at the 2000 BSB show 18 years ago tomorrow!
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    The Double LP That Tom Never Had

    Though there were definitely other songs recorded for the sessions that were not played live, eventually released on Playback, or made it onto the album, the songs from the Let Me Up era that we officially know about are listed below. Even though there's more that haven't surfaced, this right here is enough for a double album. from the Let Me Up album proper: Jammin' Me Runaway Trains The Damage You've Done It'll All Work Out Think About Me All Mixed Up A Self-Made Man Ain't Love Strange How Many More Days Let Me Up (I've Had Enough) from Playback: Ways to be Wicked Can't Get Her Out (performed live at least twice in June 1986, too) You Come Through Make that Connection (B Side) played live but not released: Tonight Will Be My Night Ain't Enough Money Goodbye Little Rich Girl
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    Ok, so now.. I'm crying..

    I was going through old videos on my hard drive and found this one. It's a great performance! They played Leno quite a few times that year: first, they premiered "Black Leather Woman" on 4-4-03 (which I also posted to my YouTube channel and linked to here); second, when they played "I'm Cryin'"; third, when they covered "I Gotta Move."
  19. ^ i have a similar thing but with a different song. The C D G chord pattern that goes over the refrain line “and I’m waiting for the bus to Tampa Bay” isn’t just the same chords but sung in an incredibly similar way to “Orphan of the Storm”
  20. ^ I think that’s one of the better new songs in the package. Really cool to know from the Sirius interview that Marion graciously uploaded that Tom didn’t put it on ‘Hypnotic Eye’ because he thought he could re-record it later with / save it for Mudcrutch. “Walkin From the Fire,” though, takes the cake for being my new favorite song from the set. Incidentally, the completely new (not alternate version) ones released in advance are the ones I like the least.
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    Finding live version of Swingin'

    If you search through the "Best of Everything" forum you'll find a topic devoted to Sirius XM exclusive live tracks. But it's also posted in this YouTube video:
  22. Some of my early standouts: "Like a Diamond" is much more intimate as it delays the drums coming in and it is just Tom and the piano and strings for awhile. The alternate version of "Sins of My Youth" isn't as stellar as the original but it's an interesting take on what seems like an entirely different song! Barely any reusing of lyrics and an entirely different chorus and feel. "Two Men Talkin" resembles the performances from 2012 more so than 2003 in its having joint lead guitar parts and a bass solo in the middle and even similar guitar licks to the 2012 versions of the song. It also has some different lyric changes! "Walkin' From the Fire" and "Bus to Tampa Bay" are definitely my favorite of the new songs. Unfortunately, the alternate version of "Best of Everything" doesn't have the extra verse found in the 1980 live versions and the alternate version of "What Are You Doin in my Life" only slightly changes one line and also puts the "Shelly Shelly, Shelly Yakus" more at the front. of the ending. You can tell the effort and love that went into this collection and I'm really liking it so far!
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    Gainsville (Outtake 1998) coming up next

    Agreed! In the interviews that Tom and Mike gave for The Live Anthology (that Marion generally posted awhile back), they both talk about how the energy inherent in the venues they played in in Europe, particularly in England, influenced the quality and drive of their playing. Tom specifically references the tracks from the Hammersmith Odeon show that made it onto The Live Anthology ("Here Comes My Girl" and "Even the Losers") as examples of this.
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    Gainsville (Outtake 1998) coming up next

    The song was actually "Free Girl Now." I can't remember where I heard Tom say it or where I read it, but I think it was in the interview that Paul Zollo unearthed from his archives that's now on YouTube. He admitted that the version of "Free Girl Now" on Echo is kind of rough for that reason: because they thought they could go back and make it better but actually didn't wind up doing that. I do agree with your reading of "Gainesville" though: there's nothing super catchy about it, but, affectively and mood wise, I quite like the sentiment.
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    Old & new interviews with Tom & the Heartbreakers

    You're totally right! During the 6-10-83 Irvine Meadows show I posted awhile back on this forum, you can hear Tom say, before they cover "I Can't Dance," that they're recording the entire show. The fact that this show and the one the night after were performed in their own cluster a few months after the Long After Dark tour ended, as well as the fact that they both have really great versatile set lists, serve as indicators of the fact that these shows were intended to be recorded and released at some point, most likely on the shelved live album Tom discusses in the 1985 interview above. Thankfully, some of the performances from these two nights have surfaced in an official capacity. The performance of "Rockin' Around With You" from the 6-10 show made onto Pack Up the Plantation. Three of the songs from the second night at Irvine Meadows (6-11) made it onto The Live Anthology, which is great since a bootleg of this show has never surfaced: "Refugee" (disk 1 track 14), "Surrender" (disk 3 track 7), and "Any Way You Want It" (disk 3 track 10).