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    Let's Try to Make Southern Accents Great Again

    So I'm in the middle of reading the new 33 1/3 book on Southern Accents. It's good. Both Ben and Mike were interviewed for the book, and it's neat to hear their thoughts looking back on it. Of all of Tom's albums, why are we still drawn back to this one?...in equal part frustration and fascination. To me, it makes a ton of sense that of all his albums to analyze, that the author would've picked SA. It further breaks down the southern mystique, and discusses where Tom got it right and where Tom got it wrong. He talks at length about how Tom doubled down on the Confederate Battle Flag concept and imagery after the album came out...putting it T-shirts, stage backdrop, tour program, coat with flag lining, and wearing it on a trucker hat around this time in vidoes, etc. He comes away saying that it's a deeply flawed record..basically a failed attempt for a myriad of reasons (the band members agree they didn't achieve what they set out to do). Many of which we know and have discussed at length here. Drug problems. Self producing it. Home studio. Dave Stewart. Losing vision and concept. Recording frustrations on top of recording frustrations. Demo envy. Tom's broken hand. Tom hearing The Boys of Summer. Doh! What might be most fascinating is in essence the complete reinvention of Tom Petty, from the Gainesville Southerner of SA, to the California Dude of Full Moon Fever. Those album are night and day different in almost every way possible. Look at 1985 TP to 1989 TP....what happened!?? It does mention that they were looking at 26 tracks (!!!) for SA, and that when Iovine was finally called in, he pared it down to the 9 songs that we know. Going from 26 down to 9 is a huge jump! And of those 9, I would say a solid 4 are quite subpar. Not to mention it totally destroyed the idea of it being a double album. The whole thing comes out as a muddled mess. Ben says in the book, "it was the one that got away from us." The author states that the core 5 songs that faithfully make up the core of SA are Rebels, DCAHNM, Dogs on the Run, Southern Accents and Spike. I can agree with that. So I'll start there and build the perfect SA album. He mentioned that still fans (ahem...us) who are still to this day trying to piece this album together. To re-imagine it closer to Tom's original vision. To make it great again. Basically, we made it in the book. Which immediately made me think of this thread. And I had to come up with my updated track list....AGAIN. Side A: 1. Rebels 2. Spike 3. The Apartment Song (feat. Stevie Nicks) 4. Dogs on the Run 5. Casa Dega 6. Don't Come Around Here No More Side B: 1. Trailer 2. Image of Me 3. Big Boss Man 4. Cracking Up 5. Walking From the Fire 6. Southern Accents This feels closer to some sort of southern theme or idea. Supposedly, the album was to be based on the outlook and journey of a solo southerner (the character we discover in Rebels.) But is he mentioned or referenced anywhere else as the album unfolds? Maybe SA was never so much a southern "concept" album, as a southern "themed" album. An exploration of the American South. Maybe I can be done with my nagging restlessness to make this album work now....who knows, maybe not. * I would add Casa Dega since it feels like it fits the mysterious southern theme and landscape, and it's such a moody song. Every time I listen to it, I think of how powerfully it would be a home on SA. And they would've had this song in the vaults by this time. They could've easily looked back into their inventory to see if they had anything that would fit along the way. ** If someone wants to create an actual playlist of this, I'd love to hear it in this order. Yes, that's an invitation ***Also, who knows, if there were 26 songs around this time to work with, how many haven't we heard yet? Maybe the "Revisiting SA" package that Adria mentioned would be super cool...finally creating a fuller picture & depth to this album that has been hidden or lost all these years....
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    New TPATH Releases

    Dang it, Adria. I love you, I respect you, I appreciate you, and I think your heart is in the right place, but please stop. Release this Wildflowers All the Rest Box Set. In 2019. Cooperate for the greater good. Give it the green light. Do what you gotta do. The fans want it. We've been waiting for 5 years now. WB wants to do it. They paid a lot, and are offering more for the demos. The marketing dept wants to do it, to capitalize on special anniversary dates. Fine. Cool. Ryan U. wants to do it. He's the man. He found a treasure trove. He has great instincts. His loving care and mixes make the music sound out of this world. He and Mike and Ben can put together an awesome track list. Trust them. Just reading the above snippet about finding the demos and home recordings gets us more excited than you will ever know. The album already is warm and intimate....we can only imagine what the home records sound like and they are starting to be formed, realized, and fleshed out. Finally, Tom wanted to do it. Please do it....for your dad and for the fans. Not to be selfish here, but I think Tom would do it for the fans alone. Please don't be silly about this.
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    Songs not on Normal Albums

    Whoa. You almost forget that TP was signed as a solo act for a brief moment with Shelter Records, circa 1975. Mudcrutch is signed in 1974. Record never happens. ------ What if the world saw a Tom Petty solo album in 1975? What would that record look like? I say we'd get to hear the studio recording of Dog on the Run. The whole album has gotta have that bridge feel - somewhere between a Mudcrutch/TPATH sonic thing. Struggling to be cohesive, a hybrid of all the influences and instincts built into an ambitious 25 year old TP thus far. Going off of the above track list, and Mudcrutch set lists for clues, I imagine something like this....(see attached). Unhappy with being a "solo artist", and Tom being the stubborn guy he is, goes back to the label (who is starting to have their doubts about him), and tells them his next effort HAS TO BE A BAND EFFORT. ------ Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers first LP is released in 1976.
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    Greatest Hits Vol. 2

    I must say, Big Blue Sky, that's an awesome list you have there. And I like your idea of choosing only ONE song off each album, hard as that may be. I enjoyed your exercise to much that I'll follow suit. BUT, I'll include a song from Wildflowers. That being said, any song off WF can be and deserves to be on a Greatest Hits compilation, so it doesn't really matter which song you pick in my opinion. All are deserving. WF would easily weigh down any GH2 album. In my teens, It's Good to be King was my favorite track. In my early 20's, it was Time to Move On. In my later 20's, it became Hard On Me. In my 30's, it was Crawling Back to You, tied with Wake Up Time. Now, at this season in life, it's gotta be To Find a Friend. But that song would be too slow to kick off a GH2 album, so I'm choosing to go with an upbeat & optimistic selection. Here goes: 1. A Higher Place 2. Walls 3. Sea of Heartbreak 4. Counting on You 5. Have Love Will Travel 6. Big Weekend 7. Scare Easy 8. It's Good to Be King (live) 9. I Should Have Known It 10. Fault Lines 11. Dreams of Flying 12. Lonesome Dave 13. For Real
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    "Best Of Everything" album released

    Opps. Hit "return" accidentally. Back to my new thought. And this came after listening to the Rick Rubin podcast recently, where he talked at length about making of Wildflowers with Tom. I wonder how much of the confusion/hold up was from Tom. You could make a case that Tom couldn't make up his mind about it, about how to handle and best present the reissue. Tom was "haunted" by Wildflowers. It obviously meant something deep, and yet he was scared of it, the nature of the way the songs arrived. (ie. "Where did those come from? Did those come out of me? How did that happen? How do these feel so right? Can I ever match this moment, or do this again??") A few scenarios we sort of already know: 1. He thought All The Rest was more a less a new album (good enough to be one) 2. He didn't see it as a leftovers project, or wanted it to be easily dismissed or overlooked (because of it's perceived greatness) 3. Present the original double album concept? (if they could locate the running order) 4. He was afraid of it? Conflicted or tortured over wanted to do it justice??
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    "Best Of Everything" album released

    The whole Wildflowers Deluxe Reissue/Box Set/All the Rest could either be classified as a mystery or a fiasco at this point. Why are they (whoever they are) over complicating it? The album is beloved. People would love the other songs. Release it. It will be special, it wil. Like American Treasure. Or the Live Anthology. Have you seen how many huge box sets have been released since David Bowie's passing? https://www.amazon.com/Loving-Alien-1983-1988-David-Bowie/dp/B07FPP5R6R/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3Q5XTV1A0ZGY0&keywords=david+bowie+box+set+vinyl&qid=1552492329&s=gateway&sprefix=david+bowie+box+set%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/New-Career-Town-1977-1982-13LP/dp/B073NXD2MD/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3Q5XTV1A0ZGY0&keywords=david+bowie+box+set+vinyl&qid=1552492363&s=gateway&sprefix=david+bowie+box+set%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-2 https://www.amazon.com/Who-1974-1976-13LP-GramVinyl/dp/B01IRI05CO/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3Q5XTV1A0ZGY0&keywords=david+bowie+box+set+vinyl&qid=1552492373&s=gateway&sprefix=david+bowie+box+set%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-3 https://www.amazon.com/Bowie-At-Beeb-Sessions-Limited/dp/B019PJII6O/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3Q5XTV1A0ZGY0&keywords=david+bowie+box+set+vinyl&qid=1552492402&s=gateway&sprefix=david+bowie+box+set%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-4 Which brought me to a new thought.
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    Thoughts on Playback

    Right on MJ2LD! I share in your love of the Playback box set. It holds a special spot in my TP collection, as it's a real treasure trove and testament to the Heartbreakers catalog up to that point. The first American Treasure, as it were. It is interesting that it arrived just 2 years after the monumental Greatest Hits album. Apparently people were ready for a lot more Petty. I bought it when I was just a few years into my discovery of their music (that first flash of freedom), so it was overwhelming and wonderful at the time. So much music!!! So much investigating to do! It demanded a lot from the listener (not a casual listen), and I was up for the task. And back then, spending a lot of money of a set like that made it feel very valuable, like you were really investing into something. It certainly was a big deal to get it at 16 or 17 years old. Remember back in the 90's when a new CD was like $16.98...and a bigger collection like this was much pricier. I'm also with you, in the fact that discs 5 and 6 are my absolute favorite things on Playback. I can play those and never get tired. I think it's because they feel like they could be independent/official TP albums. They're that good. These "leftovers or outtakes or missing children" are as good (if not better) as songs found on the regular albums, don't you think? And didn't they release "Though the Cracks" and "Nobodys Children" as stand alone "albums" a few years ago? Maybe just digitally, can't remember. "I Can't Fight It" rocks. It's got that punchy and rowdy rock & roll attitude, underdog feeling, etc. This song in particular feels like it could be a connector between 70's Mudcrutch and the early Heartbreakers. Also pretty rare for a Petty song, with the usage of colorful language. Along with "Zero From Outer Space", these are the only two TP songs I can think of that drop the F-bomb....somewhat out of character for him.
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    TP Question

    I'm tempted to write a lengthy response on this subject/question at hand. Like "Shelter long." But it would take a lot of time to thoughtfully formulate and compose...and based mainly on outside observation, some speculation, and the man's lyrics & songs.
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    For Real

    Anybody know what year this was recorded?
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    Maxwell House

    Dang it, I hope Amazon lets me return these 400 cans of Maxwell House now...
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    Let Me Up (the album)

    1976 Self Titled LP, you're gonna get it!
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    Let Me Up (the album)

    I'm always up for a little design challenge, BBS. You reeled me it. Without spending too much time, I did this. Is this what you guys are talking about (something like this)? Basically having the cover of the first record feature the whole band, not just Tom solo? Anyways, I tried to find an early Heartbreakers image that could work...I'm not ready to make a collage of the 5 band members just yet...And wow, Ron is definitely standing close to Tom.
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    Remembering Mindbender - 25 Years Later

    Too much ain't enough! Ha ha...JK. You may be right...2 releases in 1993 might've been too much Petty. But look at that string of releases that MJ2LD mentioned - FM/ITGWO/GH & WF - You could almost add Traveling Wilburys before and Playback Box set after...what a run! Strike while the iron is hot. You think of how the Beatles & Stones released 1-2 albums a year for the first decade....no one was complaining then. I was thinking Mindbender would be cool as the connector (musically) between Into the Great Wide Open and Wildflowers. I've said it before, but I'm intrigued by those summer 1993 Greatest Hits sessions. And then I listen to this podcast yesterday: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/broken-record/e/57883752?autoplay=true Are you ready for your mind to be blown........ According to Rubin..... 50 songs recorded for the Greatest Hits!!? Whaaaat...Is this even possible? Is this even real? I'm gonna assume a lot of covers here... In another thread (which I can never find...Shelter, help) we tried to generate a list of potential songs recorded. I think our list concluded somewhere around 14. but......50? The lost Heartbearkes album from the 1993 GH sessions could now be a super ultra deluxe box set. Obviously released after the Fillmore 1997 box set, and BEFORE ALL THE REST. (ha ha) Yes.
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    Super Deluxe Pre-Release American Treasure - SALE

    Hey Muddy! That's great! I'm really looking forward to seeing your original TP works. Far out! I was thinking, it might be cool to start a new thread of TPATH related-artwork (all mediums encouraged) created by fellow Farmers. I've tried my hand with drawing TP a few times in the past....
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    Remembering Mindbender - 25 Years Later

    MJ2LD, thanks for bringing this topic & thread back up! And thanks for the kind words. To answer your question, yes. It was just a one-off writing exercise to compliment the concept and artwork. I'm a graphic designer, so that part comes first. I can't help it at times, to create imaginary TP albums, related artwork and dream releases! I've done it at least 3 times here, with Mindbender, A Play Back Vol. 2 boxed set, and a Wildflowers All the Rest single disc concept.... You know, the kinda stuff that keeps you up at night. Like trying to make Southern Accents great (again)...
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