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  1. Quite an odd way to celebrate the 35th anniversary of the release, by resequencing the album…
  2. Oh boy, bringing the Boss into this are we? I'm not sure comparing Bruce/E-street to Tom/HB is even fair. It's not really an apples to apples comparison. Bruce is in his own league live. He just is. That's not taking anything away from a TPATH show. Both are great and joyous and celebratory, in their own way. Bruce regularly plays 3 or 4 hour shows, doing this well into his 60's. That's very different than a 2-hour show. That's superhuman. He comes out and plays the first song like it's the final song, and never lets up on the gas. Bruce has a sign-grabbing segment, where he'll play 3-4 different songs every night from signs alone. Bruce is obviously known for his set list to vary wildly from night to night. A few tours ago, he tried a "Stump the E-Street Band" segment, where he would grab signs of ANY song by ANY artist and try them out...many for the first (and only) time ever. YouTube a couple of them, it was pretty crazy, some of the selections. All in all, it would appear that his playing live philosophy was the opposite of Tom's. Basically what he said. Also, Bruce paid a high compliment to Tom, letting him know that he loved the song "Straight Into Darkness". In a way, that might be the closest Springsteen-like song that Tom wrote. I can see why the Boss liked it... When Tom passed, both Bruce and his wife Patti said very kind things about their love and respect for Tom and his music. Patti mentioned specifically her love of the Wildflowers album. ------- 100% no doubt. Have you seen the 2009 Live at the Paramount Theatre performance? The band plays the entire Darkness album to an empty room. It's amazing!
  3. ...I'm still stoked, Shelter! I have faith...I believe ATR will arrive (perhaps even this year)...and it will be stellar! The final package will be as good as, or better than AAT. Yes, the 6-year wait has been ridiculous...absurd...maddening....but maybe they will right all the wrongs - for several reasons they should: the way it's been botched thus far, the pain it has caused the patient & faithful fans, and the fact that All The Rest was close and personal to Tom. Therefore honoring him and going above and beyond is the only way to go now.
  4. So the way I see it, a Wildflowers Theater Tour wouldn't fall under a Tribute Tour. Especially since it's focusing on one album only. It would be the Heartbreakers playing the Wildflowers album in full with some some great guest singers & friends. I think there's a distinction here. Plus, this was the original vision that Tom had for this project, so it would just be presenting it as planned... I think Adam Lambert singing with Queeen is "tribute tour" to Freddy Mercury type thing. But, maybe if 5 years from now, we see a "Heartbreakers Live Featuring Jakob Dylan" singing "All the Hits", then yes, I would classify that as more of a tribute to Tom & his music. And some folks would likely get excited about the idea, and some might not. And that's OK. Of course it's not Tom. There was only one of him. Therefore, it wouldn't be the original or real thing, but it would give people a a chance to hear beloved songs again. And that would be a good thing.
  5. Um....while I'm indeed glad the album is being worked on.....does anyone else find it unusual that Jane is now involved with the WF reissue? I wonder if she's been involved with the production of any other TP projects in the past?? First, Dana was in charge of the legacy releases....and now.... One of the reasons I find it odd (ironic, sad?) is that of all the albums, it's Wildflowers. Adria said that upon hearing WF, that it was the sound of her dad leaving/ending that relationship. In that context, I wonder what effect that would have on a person (namely Jane) or what feelings and emotions that might bring to the forefront...
  6. Yeah, sorry. That is definitely my least favorite TP song from this era. Just trying to get a comprehensive list of songs going for inclusion. Ignore sequencing...for now. 🙂
  7. Agree....between Mike, Scott, Ron and Ben, I'm sure much of the WF vocals could be covered by the Heartbreakers themselves. Even including Stan would be both a kind gesture and unique twist. I think the original vision behind a WF tour was to include female singers for sure. Maybe 2 or 3 rotating between songs with Tom, and maybe taking solos. I think Norah Jones was considered and on board first. Maybe the Webb sisters would come back. Come to think of it, what might be cool would be artists featured in Echo in the Canyon. Jakob Dylan, Regina Spektor, Chan Marshall (Cat Power), and Beck on vocals with the Heartbreakers. Or Dani Harrison. Or the Shelters. Tom had so many friends who could and would be honored I'm sure...
  8. Well, Rubin said that the band recorded some 50 songs during the GH sessions. 50. SONGS. Looks like we have 3 massive box sets waiting in the cue...from this popular, prolific, fertile period: - TPATH: The Complete 1993 Greatest Hits Sessions AKA Stan's Last Stand - Tom Petty - Wildflowers: All the Rest - The 1997 Fillmore Residency Deluxe Box Set BRING IT ON. Just get me in contact with Adria, Dana, or Ryan U. I'll get it done for us.
  9. Are you talking about the 1994 Bridge School Benefit shows? Because I read that there were 2 TPATH shows that weekend. One of them went terrible, and the band was in a very tense and foul mood. And Stan flew home immediately after them, or something like that....
  10. Definitely some good thoughts there on Wildflowers, the 1992 sessions, and Somewhere Under Heaven, Shelter (and all). Love it, and I love this thread. SUH certainly feels closer to ITGWO than WF to me...perhaps the 1992 sessions started out as band effort, then shifted course by 1993. (Similar to Travellin' sessions of 1988, eventually arriving at FMF). Perhaps Tom had a new vision...or reinvigorated inspiration working with a new producer...or an itch to "go solo" again, having such a good experience the last time. Perhaps he needed yet another break from the band, in his mind. SUH does sound like a one-off of sorts. What about other songs from 1992, ie. You Get Me High? Were songs like Driving Down to Georgia or Lost Without You being tossed around? Again, think of the epic Mindbender record.... At at rate, we all agree that WF was a transitional moment. Which makes the 1992-1994 period quite fascinating..(and divisive?) all leading up the departure of our beloved Stan. We can see it as the dividing point, the half-way marker (literally) of the lifespan of the band. The first half (with Stan), 1976-1994 - 18 years....and the second half (with Steve), 1995-2017 - 22 years. Or...BW (before Wildflowers) and AF (after Wildflowers), as it were. And it goes back to FMF. We've discussed this too. The band was obviously hurt/upset/betrayed/angry, etc. about Tom's decision to "go solo" and make a record. With them playing on it, yet solo. Who wouldn't feel threatened? Or at least worried. This put the future of the band into uncertainty. Including their very life (financially) and career. And now, Tom decides to do it again..... Back to Stan in all of this. He's sort of the central figure affected by this drama + decisions. I think it was more of a natural progression that led to his departure. By 1992, he was probably being his normal difficult self. By 1993, he was pissed. By 1994, he checked out. He was done. He said in the past (half jokingly) that he quit the band while making every record. But this time, sadly, it was for good. Plus he disliked Rubin. I think maybe ultimately it was because of feeling/being so hurt. Maybe it too much for him to go through the whole "TP solo cycle" again, and he simply couldn't do it. While the rest of the Heartbreakers could (meaning Mike, Ben and Howie. Especially Mike. He knew he was going to always be the co-pilot by Tom's side. He had his place forever secured). They saw how it went down after FMF, and maybe told themselves it could go the same way again with WF. That it would be back to business as usual, after Tom "got it out of his system." Or maybe they accepted that Tom was just going to do this from time to time, and keep his family together (the band) in the end. Maybe they felt more confident, more established. If something were to happen, they could carry on being a producer, co-producer, collaborator, or find endless work as a studio musician, playing on other people's projects. (Which they did in fact to, as history shows, and still do to his very day). I keep saying maybe BTW, since all of this is simply speculation or observation. So Stan would say things in 1994 like "This ain't my main gig"* that would in turn piss Tom off. Deepening the fracture. But could you blame him for feeling this way? Which brings us back to 1993. The GH sessions. Perhaps the last real time of Stan being an "official" member of the band...even if begrudgingly. By this time, summer 1993, Tom was waist-deep (not ankle-deep) in Wildflowers. When the Greatest Hits project arrived, and he had to write/submit/contribute a NEW song, and we know he bristled at this GH submission project. He absolutely WAS NOT going to give up any of the new WF songs. They were too good. Nope, no Wake Up Time was going to be given away. This to me, is an indicator of just how much be believed in and was loving this new "solo" material. Enough to make a distinction between this being solo record, and the GH project being a Heartbreakers thing, that needed a HB song. So, what did he do? He looked for any older, leftover, or unfinished songs to finish and submit. Thus, MJLD, a song idea started in 1988 that he saw had some potential (and boy, did it). Observation: I love Neil Young's album Harvest. I always thought that WF was like the Harvest of the 90's. Only bigger, longer, more songs of course. Same kinda warm feel and vibe, mixture of songs from fast to slow, etc. Arguably Neil's best work, same with Tom and WF. Lastly, WF to me is a rocking album. Sure, it has diverse styles, moods, and textures, but it's a rock and roll album at it's core. Because it was made by a rocker. We all go to You Wreck Me, Honey Bee as examples. Don't forget Cabin Down Below. Oh yeah, remember that outtake Lonesome Dave? It's all over the map, it's glorious, sweeping, and epic (cue IGTBK). At this point in Tom's career, he was putting a lifetime of experiences and influences into one maximum expression. At it succeeded on every level. It feels so right, so warm, so welcoming when you spend time with it. It's a journey, and it paints many emotional pictures using a wide canvas (cue Wildflowers, Time to Move On, or the 2 album closers I consider it to be Tom's deepest, widest, and biggest record. Maybe the most poetic (I agree that's arguable). Still, doesn't matter, it's great, and I love it. It's his finest moment, in a career of many, splendid fine moments. Did I mention it's my favorite album? Ha. ---- * Shelter-end-of-post-asterisk. What's pretty interesting is how Stan stayed in a creative partnership with Don Henley after his departure with band. Which to me says something about Henley. That he really recognized Stan's immense talents outside of just drumming. (not saying Tom didn't see it, be you could argue he was under-utilized). And it wasn't just for a season. Want more proof? I pulled out Henley's EXCELLENT last solo record, Cass County, from 2015. Have you heard it? It's great. If you like country music, you'll really like it. It's got some amazing collaborations. But I checked out the liner notes, and guess who's all over it? Yep, Stan. Co-Producer. Main songwriting partner. And he plays acoustic and electric guitar! So, Henley is still a fan. Which sort of makes you wonder how much he could've brought to the table with late-career HB music....
  11. Yes! Tom changed that line while playing YDKHIF on occasion during the '95 Dogs With Wings Tour. An example being on the excellent soundboard 10.6.95 Tuscaloosa bootleg....the crowd is insanely rowdy and enthusiastic in this show! This was also the tour where Tom exclaimed "OH BABY DOLL..." at basically the start of every show
  12. I also agree that HC ultimatly is about time, the passing of it, and how it finally catches up with you when you aren't looking or paying attention. HC is similar to me with Bruce's Devils and Dust album, which came out in 2005. Bruce was 56 when Devils came out, and Tom was 56 when HC came out. I remember Bruce saying something around this time that he realized at that moment that he was indeed getting older. That it almost startled him, and he officially realized he wasn't a young man anymore. Like, "When did this happen, how did I get to my mid-50's so quickly?" It sort of made be develop this theory that the mid-50's is maybe the adjusted mid-life crisis point for rock and rollers, and I started looking for other artists' albums that would be released when they were this age. Imagine starting it out when you're 22, and then stepping onto the roller coaster. Tom always mentioned stuff like how they moved at breakneck speed when they were kids, that the pace was insane, that they didn't have time to grow up or "be adults", that they lived in the studio, long tours, etc. Most musicians never take the time to look back, only move forward. Finally, you look up, and 30 years has gone by. Stuck in the write, record, promote, tour cycle....indefinitely. I believe Tom was being reflective with this album (not necessarily for the first time, because you could say he was looking back on his Southern youth and geography with Southern Accents. But he was still younger then). Taking stock of the journey so far. Remember there was a 4 year break between The Last DJ and Highway Companion. It's possible he was just assessing life and his "career" in rock and roll music. And his age. Rock and roll is a young man's game, and yet these live-long masters (Bruce & Tom at age 56) don't plan on retiring anytime soon. We know that Tom loved rock and roll, believed in it, and found great joy in playing it. So he wasn't going to stop doing what he loved with his band, and yet he knew how silly it would look to be prancing around the stage, pretending to be 26 at age 56. So, how does one proceed forward? Well, we know that Tom did, and kept all the integrity, passion, craftsmanship and spirit of rock and roll in tact. He "aged" in rock and roll years quite gracefully, as a consummate professional on stage (never looked silly), while also keeping the muse and rock and roll spirit (freedom, rebellion, innate youthfulness) inside, as his guiding light. And HC was perhaps this moment of revelation/acceptance. As far as the title goes, perhaps Tom knew that his music & songs served as a continual & faithful companion to the lives of many people. I know it sure did and does for me. Rock and roll, or music in general, was probably the unfailing companion to Tom as well. That's the beauty of music–it never let's you down, and it's always there for you. Lastly, the HC cover was always odd to me, and I never really liked it. The bright orange and blue monkey/rocket ship illustration couldn't be further from its music and themes. I also have a hard time associating a monkey with Tom's music. And the title alone evokes ground travel, (highways, byways, roads, detours), and here's a cover depicting space travel. It's just a disconnect. HC is one of Tom's stronger album titles, and I feel they missed the mark with the artwork. I love it when the artwork matches the mood and vibe of the music...
  13. Happy 25th Anniversary to the legendary Wildflowers album, released this day on 1994!!! https://ultimateclassicrock.com/tom-petty-complete-wildflowers/ As we know - lots of pondering, uncertainty, debating and deliberating on the best way to release/re-issue/celebrate Wildflowers: All The Rest. The label, the band, the family, Ryan U, Rick Rubin...even Tom himself was unsure the best way to continue to tell the WF story. Which is a bummer for the fans. I don't get it. I appreciate the fact they they want to protect the legacy...but...are they perhaps overthinking this release too much? Why not do it the way everyone does it these days - with options ranging from one disc to multi-deluxe options, depending on what you want & want to spend? ie. 1. Option 1: All the Rest - Standalone album with the "new" 11-12 tracks only. $9.99 2. Option 2: The above + the originally envisioned WF Double LP. $34.99 3. Option 3: Deluxe: The above + One disc of WF home demos (that Ryan U recently stumbled upon) $44.99 4. Option 4: Ultra Deluxe Box Set: The above + 1995 Dogs With Wings live show recording + Hardcover book with essays and never-before-seen photos. All wrapped in an organic cloth box that looks like the texture of the WF cover. With an embroidered flower on the cover. $149.99 Come on Warner Bros...GET IT TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!
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