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    17 hours ago, mikemono said:

    It's a pretty sparse and muffled recording, and you mostly only hear the cowbell of the drums backing TP's rhythm

     

    14 hours ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

    The sound quality is definitely listenable.

    In one day I went from thinking the song had never been performed live to hearing its (supposedly) only performance! The sound quality was fine, I was more interested in the performance, the leisurely way the band pulled together during the intro, the overall feel of the song and the outro...felt like it could've kept on going for my taste, that quick pause before the last note could've led into some extended soloing.

    Still, interesting to hear how the band filled out an additional thirty seconds or so of the song, what Benmont did and the way it built towards that end. I like the quick, sharp ending. I think it could've become something really good in concert had they kept playing it but rough in performance or a bit in sound quality, I'm still glad they played it and now we can all listen to it.

    cheers

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    13 hours ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

    However, for the Chicago (i.e. Rosemont, just outside Chicago) Hard Promises visit, a Chicago radio station somehow bought up all or most of the tickets - so that you had to call in and "win" tickets, rather than whatever was the usual method of ticket sales/distribution.    

    So some people were upset about the way tickets were handled via the radio station, and even angry at the band for allowing it to happen (I have no idea how much say the band had in it, or how their management handled it).

    That would be incredibly infuriating. Imagine nowadays the radio station would be hit with such bad publicity via twitter they'd have to surrender the tickets. I could understand why people were angry, it's crazy and how could the Rosemont/band management ever think this was good or fair. Of course now one could make claims about ticketmaster and reselling of tickets after scalpers so...maybe not much has changed. Regardless, they played the song so that's good.

    cheers

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    9 hours ago, Shelter said:

    A Broadway play can (and should?) be more or less identical each night, for best effect. In my view a concert can and should be something else.

    I agree. And in the end, just my opinion, it's too bad the full power of the band wasn't let loose, be it trying random deep tracks, or randomly playing an extended version of a song they normally stuck close to the record and so on. I'm not a big fan of You Can Still Change Your Mind but the version Benmont did on his own is great! Oh well (not the song).

    cheers

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    9 hours ago, Shelter said:

    Right. There you go again. Haha.. That's my whole point, the battle didn't have to be Two covers vs Two "deep cut".

    I agree, but it's difficult to not see it that way when the band only plays so many songs, since they weren't going to drop a hit, the only choice is to drop a cover. Sure, they could've played both, could've done all sorts of things....I'll just stop there, you heard it all before, ha ha.

    cheers

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    18 hours ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

    Oh well (including the cover of Fleetwood Mac's "Oh Well" - frankly I'd have rather heard one of TPATH's own songs).   

    Truly one of the most wretched covers they'd ever done.

    In the middle of the show (or first quarter) here comes a fast number with Tom playing maraccas. Who cares? I'm not here for Fleetwood Mac, play one of your countless original tunes, something upbeat! If they didn't want to go back that deep for Finding Out or Makin Some Noise or What Are You Doing In My Life,, why not Jammin Me or Too Much Ain't Enough?

    Oh Well was just a terrible moment live, a real boring song considering its an upbeat one too. Looking back on it, probably part of the reason (a small part) why that was the last tour I ever saw them on.

    cheers

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    10 hours ago, Shelter said:

    In the light of all this then - the covers. I for one think that playing covers is part of what playing music in general and rock and roll specifically is all about. It's how you explore and pay homage to tradition, it's how you make it your own and mark your place inside it.

    I understand this and respect it and I'd even add the simple notion that for many a band, breaking into a cover is fun; perhaps there is less pressure in performing it as well, a chance to let loose on stage. That's all good. But for me, while some covers are fine, and some I even like, I'm there because of the headlining band's songs and their ability to deliver on stage. While a cover song may mean a lot to them, with rare exception I'd much rather here their own music than what influenced them; besides which, often times what an artist (doesn't have to be a musician either) likes or was influenced by doesn't necessarily mean I'll enjoy it. Sometimes when I've gone for a writer or musician's recommendations I've been disappointed. 

    I think you're onto it though when you say it was a way for Tom and the band to honor their predecessors and take part or revel in the tradition they'd become a part of; makes sense for sure and comes through, especially in Benmont interviews where he seems to love so much music and brings that joy to playing it, with the Heartbreakers or his own solo shows. Good observation, Shelter.

    cheers

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    Just now, Big Blue Sky said:

    Hmmm, so how many are there? For some reason I was thinking 400 but maybe / probably including covers... 

    What matters is that the band just didn't plum feel like playin' these here deep cuts and if they did, well shore as shite Mr. Petty didn't and there it lay in the dirt. Now maybe too, the crowd are a-gonna respond more to a song they recognize that's a cover than to a song they dont' a-recognize that ain't a cover but is a 100-purcetn oreeegeenal tune, so maybe a lame, disinterested audience response to a deep cut and the lowering of the crowd's collective energy was another raisin this here band just kept their stagecoach on the well worn trail. Yup.

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    10 hours ago, Shelter said:

    Their are just so many slots to a 90 minutes set.

    I think that's why it became either/or regarding covers. With so few spots available, play the deep cut not the cover. Or it seemed that way anyway, that it was either going to be one or the other since they didn't add that many songs to the overall total played after a certain point. If the deep cuts even registered with the band; what I think of a deep cut (Finding Out or It Ain't Nothing To Me) versus what they did, (Two Gunslingers, Swingin').

    Bad enough I helped shatter this damn topic to so many itsy-bitsy pieces, now I'm digging it back up and having another go! 

    Nice points you make overall though.

    cheers

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    6 minutes ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

    I'm sure it was a well-discussed topic here, and frankly it deserved to be (the repetitive tour-after-tour setlist issue, when so many great self-authored songs were being forever ignored).

    Ha ha, boy. I mean, it was a lively discussion with some really good points, alternate possibilities the band could've done and so on but it was also like dropping a nuke on this place. Whatever the alternative suggested at the time,  I think they were preferable to the path the band took but many thousands of satisfied fans and the band's checkbook might argue otherwise. 

    The big mystery man, was why they didn't play so many songs; didn't like how they sounded, figure the audience would be bored, just forgot them? Even a lot of the Beacon/Fonda shows they'd pull out songs I didn't care for, so I just think my taste happened to not align with the band's when it came to things like this; I like the song Two Gunslinges and Swingin' is all right but man, so many other really good deep cuts never played. Oh well.

    Peace!

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    27 minutes ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

    The final show at the Fillmore 1997 had 40 songs, if I've counted correctly.   No other TPATH concert comes close to that. 

    I think the Fillmore is so highly rated not just because of the length but the quality of the performances, the band having played 19 prior shows there were really focused yet also able to have fun. Factor in the A sound quality and some nice jamming throughout the night and you have a special one of a kind show. Of course it's shocking to see the covers outnumber the originals. Interestingly enough, aside from Red Rocks I think, maybe one other show, their last tour they skipped the covers. '

    cheers

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    16 hours ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

    Frankly when people point to those residencies as some of their best shows, I think "no way, because they played too many covers and not enough of their own songs". 

    I agree but it's definitely a minority opinion. I understand enjoying the band in close quarters and that the shows were different from the standard tours but I didn't quite understand everyone's excitement over the covers. I still don't but I figure, people just really love seeing them play live, so seeing them live and in close quarters is more than enough; sure maybe they'd like to hear deep cuts but are still just happy to be there. From a songwriting point of view, most of the covers they did, for me, were inferior to their own music. But I figure most people don't care and like I said, it's all moot now. 

    The band enjoyed playing those songs so they played 'em and that's it. Now, I view the covers I do like as a fresh alternative to the usual things they played and enjoy them at that level but I get where you're coming from.

    cheers

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    23 hours ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

    Yes, those - and as far as I know "Dark of the Sun", "Ain't Love Strange", "Magnolia", "Hurt", "Ways to be Wicked" and so many more that might have been great in concert.   And those are just from the early days.  So much of HE and a lot of HC might have been great live as well.  I too was hoping for a residency similar to Fillmore 1997 or Chicago 2003

    Whenever they played residencies I was disappointed with all the covers when so many of their own songs could've been played.  Oh well. But not only is it moot now it was moot then, though at least they did play songs like When The Time Comes, Nightwatchman etc. Better than nothin'! Who knows why they didn't dig deeper perhaps some future interviewer will ask the band.

     

    23 hours ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

    "The Criminal Kind" from your list could have made a fantastic concert song.  Not the most relatable subject matter, but with the searing lead guitar and hard-hitting drum part, plus the vocals that start quietly and build up to a shout - wow that song was just begging to be played live. 

     One of their best songs and one that climbed up in my estimation. This, Nightwatchman, and Same Old You all feel slightly similar but in a good way, slinky riff and funky beat, with outros made for jamming.

    ciao

     

     

     

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    11 hours ago, Big Blue Sky said:

    story-telling skills.........Just randomly from an album relatively soon afterwards, I also consider Blue Sunday from Last DJ very highly.

    Those are good lyrics. Particularly the line about backseat/hotel. 

    4 hours ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

    Kind of an odd "song", not much music to it.  A little like "Something Good Coming" in that way. 

    I think it's all about how best lyrics and music work together, so I think the minimal music of Blue Sunday helps set the feeling of the lyrics, anything busier would ruin the mood. I think Something Good Coming could be the best song on Mojo and the music there is somehow both intense in feeling while remaining gentle, a bit of a paradox but it works.

    Returning to the last dj briefly, for me, that run of songs, from 8-11 on Last Dj is just a very sleepy set of songs that helps sink the record for me. And while I like the more uptempo numbers it's more for the guitar interplay live than the actual songs themselves (lost children and kid goes bad, though at least the former is more of a better song overall). 

    While I do like the song Blue Sunday, and maybe this sort of touches on Drew's point, that a lot of the time in the latter albums the music is very much left wanting or feels generic, bland. So in th eend I dont' care about what is being sung when the music is uninteresting to me. That's not the case with Blue Sunday but defintiely with some of Wildflowers, Dj and Echo.

    cheers

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