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    36 minutes ago, nurktwin said:

    and will be here until sometime Sunday. Still looking for a ride back to Cleveland!!!!!!

    Good luck. I'm not aware of the costs but maybe if you can afford it, see if you could cut a deal with a driving service, uber or something since you'll be going back and forth all month and maybe get some kind of discount since you'd use them during the next three weeks.

    Good thing you're not having to go back and forth in the winter.

    Hope you enjoy your mighty big supper.

    cheers

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    10 hours ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

     I don't normally think of it as overlooked, possibly due to it being on one of their best and most famous live bootlegs, the 1989 North Carolina radio show. 

    I really love the organ riff Benmont plays on the studio track during the outro and really lets loose with it on this recording. One of the many good performances on that cd.

    cheers

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    12 hours ago, WonderingWaitingWorrying said:

    Hurt

    Restless

    Finding Out

    Come On Down To My House

    About To Give Out

    A Mind with a Heart of Its Own

    All You Can Carry

    Big Weekend

    Ankle Deep

     

     

    I like most of those quite a bit. Also, I think most of She's The One could fall into this category. Hung up and Overdue is one of his most tender songs. Walls got the attention for being the single but I think it's one of the weaker tracks on that record, forgotten song? STO is more like the forgotten album...!

    This was written while listening to Hung Up and Overdue.

    cheers

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    On September 10, 2019 at 3:06 PM, Shelter said:

    Almost spooky in it's urgency, certainly very timeless I think.

    The first time I heard it I thought it a spontaneous improv built from the high energy ending to Drivin'. I think it's even more sparse and basic than Two Men Talking yet powerful because of all the space, as if each instrument is holding back, waiting for just the right moment to express itself.

    cheers

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    26 minutes ago, Big Blue Sky said:

    Sometimes when we hear something so shocking as this baloney,

    The way you worded this made me laugh. Maybe it's just the usage of "baloney." 

    26 minutes ago, Big Blue Sky said:

    maybe your idea's not so bad, maybe it's harmless" ... Where does that end up? Appeasement, that's where. Up a creek without a paddle. Every time. 

    I would hope that after "interacting" with me online by this point, you'd not lump me in with people looking to condemn, usher in a New Theocracy, use the Handmaid's Tale as a blueprint for society etc. etc. It's why I stressed  earlier, what matters is how we behave towards one another, towards animals, and nature. I've known horrific so-called Christians and kind, gentle, honorable agnostics, and atheists. If judgement is to be had, isn't it based on actions, not lip-service.

    It's enough just minding my own business without chasing after others trying to make them see things my way. As if I would want to do that. Let's just try to get along as a species.

    Back to HC's cover, could also be higher nature/lower nature in harmony,  a balance between instinct and intellect.

    Odd. Very odd. Strange sense of deja vu came over me just now. Doesn't happen often.

    Anyway. I've no interest in taking your paddle from you. Or from anyone really. Paddling in all its forms can be fun ;) 

    But I'll stop there.

    cheers

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    28 minutes ago, Big Blue Sky said:

    Not what I'd call Intelligent Design. That idea has zero scientific validity. It is equivalent of a con artist's hustle. Sorry to be the one to tell you this.

    Evolution has been going from way, way before humans first stopped chasing fleas.

    Regardless of me not believing in it, I think you missed the point where I said I'm also fine with the theory of evolution though I'd point to God as the first cause, that is, sent evolution into motion.

    I'm also fairly familiar with the arguments in favor of science and such that you bring up, like I also said, I've had many a discussion on the nature of Reality, God, meaning of life, etc. etc. As for science,  I am using a computer. And I'm not here to proselytize, and you did ask after all.

    But we're a long way from knowing much of anything, why do people dream, why the Big Bang, why SOMETHING INSTEAD OF NOTHING, just for starters.

    cheers

     

     

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    1 hour ago, Shelter said:

    Edit

    Hmmm...I feel like I missed something. Or maybe something missed me? Something in the air perhaps?

    40 minutes ago, Big Blue Sky said:

    Can be harmless enough I suppose.

    Shelter!

    Me thinks Shelter doth censor himself for fear cutting wit could slice. I could be wrong. Regardless, it's fine man, to quote one of Tom's deep cuts "people believe what they want to believe".

    You realize you're dealing with someone who has openly denied evolution, criticized Tom's set list choices on a hardcore TPATH forum, finds optimism in Straight into Darkness and (gasp) defends It Ain't Nothin' To Me as one of the band's best compositions musically and lyrically...!

    Minority Opinion's Last Dance...

    cheers

     

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    2 hours ago, Mr Timba said:

    Another reading of that cover. A monkey on a rocket... It is an experiment! A monkey on an unfamiliar environment... Let"s see if he survives!

    Just like Tom on that album... Playing the drums, bass, keyboards... It was a kind of experiment... And probably he was afraid... Just like a monkey on a rocket!

     Yeah, it definitely was an experiment, returning to Lynne as collaborator after so many years and Tom taking on the bulk of the instruments. I'm glad he decided this would be his last solo effort though.

    cheers

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    1 hour ago, Shelter said:

    ok, totally cynical,

    Yeah, I know! I can't fault you for how and why you feel but I was still struck by it.

    1 hour ago, Shelter said:

    (Speaking of harmony, of being "one and the same" - how come the little fella need no suit?!)

    Cause he's already got a monkey suit!

    1 hour ago, Shelter said:

    Allowing for nature to have a second go at it, so to speak. It can all be very mutual, of course.. I did not intend to offer an actual analysis here.

    I don't think there's a right answer here, I just like hearing peoples's different thoughts.

    1 hour ago, Shelter said:

    I was poking fun. If attempted clever fun. I can't believe I have to spell these things out..

    Sometimes it's kind of hard to tell online without vocal inflection, facial tics and such. 

    1 hour ago, Shelter said:

    it's still them on the cover of LMU, which somehow makes it feel at least slightly more apt than a space themed aestethics on an album with the world Highway in the title.

    Apt maybe but I think that's a big problem with TPATH album covers; I get it. I know what Tom looks like, I know what the band looks like. Frankly, I don't give a damn. Not even a single torpedo. Did the record company think we'd just forget what they'd look like or something? Would be confused if we saw their name on the album but not them: "Hey...is this the real Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers or those imposters? Doppelgangers?" 

    Not only do I like the covers to ITGWO, HC and HE as is, but especially in comparison to the rest of their covers. What the hell is going on with Mojo? Why is the cover to LAD all in red? Etc. Though I do like the photo on HP.

    1 hour ago, Shelter said:

    Just trying to be clever about tossing a few lighthearted ideas about really, as to what, possibly could be behind the rather striking - hard to deny it - symbolism and motif of the HC cover.

    I liked it. I just was mainly struck by the harsh, humanity fucked up the planet vibe of your first take; and while you jest about it a bit, again, I get why you'd offer something so cynical; just seeing it like that felt particularly harsh. But I think I get where you're coming from on the record and maybe we'll see how others took it, since, per Drew's suggestion, this topic is also about "a bunch of other stuff" and God, rocketships and evolution certainly factor in.

    cheers

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    1 hour ago, Big Blue Sky said:

    Feel free to limit it to one phrase, one sentence, to summarise it in a paragraph... I'm not looking for a 15 page document.

     The simple answer is I believe God created the world and am a Christian.

    The more complicated and multifaceted answer that sometimes feels like pseudo-intellectual or intellectual justifications of deeply held belief and feelings, which are not quantifiable:

    I'm fine with evolution as a product of God's design, what you'd call Intelligent Design that set in motion the process of evolution but...I have read documents debunking or at least poking holes in Darwin, this was years back before I had the internet and the book's title I'm not sure of. Disinformation series? One could of course search for debunking or counterarguments to Darwin online, whether or not they are valid I couldn't say.

    While we exist in a seemingly physical reality there's a variety of information pointing towards something beyond the purely physical, a smorgasbord of: the whole observer changes the nature of reality,  quantum mechanics, which I'm not sure how much of any I understand, Plato's allegory of the cave interpreted as a more literal tale than metaphorical, the latter being valid of course but obscuring the paradoxically literal yet metaphysical meaning, even supposedly a declassified government document (don't know the validity of it, could be a hoax) basically asserting that reality is some kind of hologram (?) or creation that can be manipulated by moving outside the dimensional bounds or accessing that energy to bring forth change in the material world; the reality is a simulation and so on.

    What all of that gobbledy-gook points to, in a simple sentence is: Reality isn't what it seems. Or, there's more going on than we know in reality.

    That's aside from personal experiences, again, not quantifiable pointing to a deeper meaning beyond the purely physical, refuting the idea that there is no meaning other than what humans construct, evolution, big bang and such.

    As conversations, debates, arguments it's fine but in my experience ends with a bit of a better understanding of the other person but without really changing anyone's mind.

    I've been friends with atheists, agnostics, cynics, but to me, what seems to matter is how one conducts oneself in life, I think it's more important than getting tangled up in intellectual knots, not that it can't be fun or interesting, just that at the end of the day, what matters is am I living up to my potential, did I give that homeless man a dollar or look the other way, am I being lazy or productive, kind or selfish, petty or Tom Petty, I think you get the point.

    ciao

     

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    52 minutes ago, Shelter said:

    Monkey: "Come now, you silly man! Your ride is here. It's time for you to go, so that we can start this place over."

    What? Wow. That is one harsh interpretation! Y'know, I sometimes thought that was an alien planet and they were on their way back to Earth.

    If one believes in the Theory of Evolution (I don't which may surprise some, it certainly has surprised some friends in real life) perhaps the album cover is a metaphor for man's higher and lower natures being united and thus, able to utilize technology to journey into space, to different worlds. Poetic perhaps? Reaching too far maybe? A balance between the intellect and the body? One could also view it as you did here, ecologically but in this case, man and animal in harmony and thus able to access different worlds.

    First  you get your act together buddy and live in harmony with each other and nature then you get to go off-world!

    52 minutes ago, Shelter said:

    Or perhaps the cover just a belated insight that the sky is not the limit after all.

    Whew, all right then. I rank this cover up there with ITGWO, for a band with average to below average or even downright mediocre covers or just uninspired boring ones, this and ITGWO really stand out.

    52 minutes ago, Shelter said:

    All in all a very earth bound, very grounded and really... inner journeys, isn't it.. To illustrate this then, a rocket ship, a space craft. Perhaps less than obvious and not necessarily a better fit the more you analyse is.

    Actually, I think it an interesting juxtaposition.

    52 minutes ago, Shelter said:

    Well, I suppose it can mean whatever you want it to mean and as such it's quite brilliant. No matter what you think about its' aesthetic qualities, it's by far the most "strange" cover in the TP catalogue. 

    I may be wrong but I think I"m in the minority on this cover as well; but I think it just looks darn good. There's a friendliness to it and a warmth both in the style of drawing/painting and the use of colors.

    When I first bought the album I thought it would have more of a Runnin' Down A Dream feeling based on the title, or at least, more energy to it, as a driving album but like you said, it's more of an inner journey record.  To me Runnin' is a day time pedal-to-the-metal song, whereas this album is more of a late night barely anyone else on the road, time to be introspective record, perhaps the song Night Driver is a clue, eh?

    Whether a bit tongue-in-cheek, or serious or both, your points on the nature of the physical travel in the songs is an interesting one; if there's some deeper meaning to be found maybe someone else will suss it out as I"ve no clue. 

    I think the strangest TPATH cover is Let Me Up, which is both garish, clever and unpleasant to look at all at once. I guess I've gotten used to it over the years but is just ugly.

    Highway Companion promises an interesting, perhaps even surreal journey maybe...but after one hears the music, maybe more of a friendly trip, more in line with the acoustic blend and easy on the ears feeling in terms of music.

    cheers

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    On October 6, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Shelter said:

    What, in your opinion, are some of the most overlooked and underrated songs of Tom's?

    Lost Without You.

    ----I nearly put this as its own topic because I'm wondering what anyone else makes of it. I like it quite a bit, the spareness of much of the song, the simple way the instruments lightly chime in and out. A quick search says it was performed four times; I've only ever heard the version from the '93 Homecoming (ahh!) show. Seems it was always paired with Drivin' Down To Georgia, which I think is interesting. Almost like they needed to ride on the mellow leftover energy after the explosive ending of Drivin'.

    ----It's another example of how much Tom and the band were able to do with very little musically. Or, it seems that way but there's more going on, the solo is quite melodic and a bit longer than their more typical songs. The ending of the tune reminds me of the live versions of Breakdown where he'd go nuts.

    ---I don't think they returned to this more loose, nearly freeform style till Mojo, though none of those songs seem as open as this one, probably because we've yet to hear a studio version if such exists. 

    ---I like it. I think it's powerful, emotional and interesting musically, despite not having a lot of different parts, it feels significant yet goes by quickly. 

    ---Does anyone on here have an opinion on this song? I like it quite a bit.

    cheers

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    12 minutes ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

    You know which album "Home" could have been perfect for?  Hypnotic Eye.  It's got that fresh rocking sound that fits HE very well.  Also the "fallout shelter" reference fits with the semi-apocalyptic lyrics of HE.   Imagine if Petty had held "Home" back until HE.

    With a slight change of drums and maybe production overall I think it would've worked quite well! Could've put it after Forgotten Man (what a combo) or before U Get Me High!

    13 minutes ago, TheSameOldDrew said:

    As far as the sounds, I agree that those are interesting.  The last part of the song reminds me of the opening of Norman Greenbaum's "Spirit in the Sky".  Which still doesn't really fit the feel of the HC album, but it's cool anyway. 

    I can kinda here the Greenbaum there.

    cheers

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    On September 6, 2019 at 6:10 PM, TheSameOldDrew said:

    with the 2 bonus tracks "Home" and "Around the Roses" added.

    I never listened to either of these before and checked them out on youtube today.

    Home----That's a surprisingly good rock song, if there had been a few more of these, then I think it could've fit on the album, otherwise it stands out to much to me, much like Saving Grace. Just on its own I think it's a really fine rock song. The weakest element is some of Lynne's production, this song would've been something performed by them with a more powerful percussive element.

    Some of the slidework (?) in the song or certain guitar sounds like something from FMF, the riff though reminds me of something from their early days, so it's an interesting mix, aside from those moments, it sounds fresh and new. 

    Around the Roses---I liked it, just a nice gentle tune. Too bad this one didn't make the album since it fits in with most of it. Listening to it again I had to return to this and say it's actually pretty darn good. Maybe even a great TP song.

    This Old Town (demo)---I liked it too.

    Would even adding Home have improved my opinion on HC? Nah, but it's a darn good Tom Petty song. Around The Roses is pretty good too.

    ciao

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