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That is where you are making your mistake - this isn't a "charity"; E. Forel's group is NOT a 501©3. And more importantly, there is nothing our horses want for - they have *everything* they need, they need nobody's charity.

LOL, Wildflower, I don't think you understand. E. Forel knows me quite well, and has known me for at least 3 years. She knows what my info states, and she also knows that she is disseminating propaganda - but she won;t admit it. (You do realize that just because you just stumbled upon this controversy doesn't mean it hasn't gone on for years before, right?) And as far as E. Forel "being more learned" in this - what on earth makes you think so? She is an animal rights WACKO with an agenda, she is NOT a horseperson, she knows nothing about horses! I have worked with horses since I was 11 years old! If you look at my blog you will see that we have ALL the facts on our side; as far as traffic is concerned, maybe you didn't read my post where I cited our stats about safety? In any event, the bottom line is that our horses are extremely well provided for in EVERY way, better than a lot of children in this city - you of course can go and talk and read about us as much as you want, but believe me, any effort or time you spend would do a whole lot more good working for children or animals who actually NEED help.

BTW, I neglected to say that 2X a year vet checks and minimum 5 weeks vacation at pasture outside the city are mandated by law - law that the carriage industry asked for and fully supported! (Most of our horses get much more than 5 weeks turnout, but we wanted to codify a minimum industry-wide.)

It is really unfortunate to see so much anti-carriage KoolAid drinking going on here. I've been in the NYC carriage industry for 30 years, and my horses are my life. Allow me to flesh out a few facts here: Our safety record is STELLAR - 68 carriages operating approx 300 days a year /25 years = over 2 MILLION trips in traffic back and forth to the stables. (this does not even include all of the actual rides done!) We have had THREE equine fatalities due to traffic accidents in those 25 years. NO equine pursuit can claim a similar ratio (800 horses died on racetracks in 2009 - hell, 100 HUMANS were hit by cars and killed in 2008 in NYC alone) While each of the three carriage horse deaths was a tragedy (I knew each one - Chester ‘85, Tony ‘90, and Spotty ‘07), there is nothing in life with no risk, & certainly not in human/horse activities. Many, many more horses are injured or killed in eventing, jumping, racing, polo, etc. The humaniacs would eradicate all horses in order to eradicate all risk - something I do believe they could live with, & indeed, it’s something that many of them actively seek. They drag out the same ghoulish pics from these accidents on every website & at every demonstration, sometimes even using pictures of dead or injured horses from other parts of the country and saying they were in NYC! Unfortunately for us and our horses here in NYC, we are one of the humaniacs’ primo targets, as we fit the bill perfectly: a small, high-profile industry with very limited resources. You can see what an excellent opportunity our industry not only for misguided people, but for targeted fundraising by large AR groups like PETA. Many of the AR people would rather see a horse dead than have a job. To them, a carriage horse doing what it was bred to do, and living a comfortable, content existence alongside his driver, is no different from Michael Vick and a pile of mutilated fighting dogs or undercover horror videos revealing grotesque cruelties at factory farms. Indeed, humaniacs have made public statements comparing the carriage horse trade to the enslavement of people of African descent, and the Holocaust of the Jewish people during WWII. Can any of you imagine what it is like for someone like me - a lifelong horse person, dedicated to my horses in every way - to be maligned and vilified like this? Even if you are only a pet owner - imagine someone constantly lying and distorting how you treat your pet, and then going public with it. There are no horse-torturing monsters in our business, no matter what any of them say. And while everyone is entitled to their own opinion, they are not entitled to their own facts. Anybody hell-bent on putting carriages out of business should hop on down to the auction & buy a slaughter-bound horse and care for it for the rest of its natural life. That would actually be doing something to help the horses, not hurt them. The epidemic of abandoned horses across the country is due to what is being called a “perfect storm” of a slow economy, unemployment, high feed prices, & mortgage foreclosures. This is a mammoth crisis - 1000s of horses being left to waste away in fields & paddocks, or surrendered to over-crowded rescues, or sent to slaughter. Closing down a business where horses lead content & exceedingly reasonable existences will only ADD to this problem. A well-loved, cared-for horse with a job is a lucky horse; it is the horse with a viable JOB that is the LAST to feel the consequences of a recession. The welfare of the horses is what the decent-minded, casual observer is truly interested in, and for good reason. The horse-drawn carriages are a New York City icon; they are ambassadors to our visitors, and the horses themselves are working animals that are entitled to proper care and good handling. Fortunately, our record reflects exactly that. Our horses lead exceedingly reasonable and content lives. They each receive a superior, formulated diet, occupy roomy box stalls, receive vet & farrier care, and are groomed and bathed regularly. This amounts to food, shelter, and medical care - which many CHILDREN in this city do not have. Beyond these basics, they are loved by their owners/drivers; they receive affection, treats, and human interaction everyday. Every stable has a sprinkler system in case of fire, and every stable has 24/7 stablemen. We are overseen by 5 city agencies, and not one WEEK goes by (and sometimes, day) that our horses are not checked by the ASPCA or the Dept of Health. (Let’s see Child Protective Services match that record) The horses receive rotation turnout several times a year on farms in both Upstate NY and PA. When the time comes, we retire them to loving, forever homes; some of the owners retire them themselves on privately owned land. I personally have retired 3 horses, one of which is still living the life of Riley after being retired 6 years ago in South Jersey at a bank president’s home. I urge people to check their facts before jumping on bandwagons - when you do not do this, you can end up hurting people AND animals. Our FB page: http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=116185128409729 My blog about our horses and our industry: http://thewhiffletreenyc.blogspot.com/