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    Shelter reacted to TomFest in The Evil of the Australian Government arresting pregnant woman for social media post   
    In other news, turns out the earth is flat, and the moon landing was also a hoax.  Every news agency and health organization in the world are lying about the hundreds of thousands of deaths.  How could we be so stupid to believe Covid19 is real?  The geniuses that created this global hoax must really be raking in the money now, huh?
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    Shelter reacted to TheSameOldDrew in Never-heard song?!?   
    I'm not going to take some damn quiz to hear the song.  Here it is, quiz free (got this from the Steve Hoffman site):
    https://www.tompetty.com/sites/g/files/g2000007521/f/202008/recordings_tgada.mp3
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    Shelter reacted to Thelonious in Never-heard song?!?   
    They could as well just release the whole thing finally 😉
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    Shelter reacted to nurktwin in My Traveling Wilbury Guitar   
    This is the TW500 model. This and the TW600 were top of the Wilbury line, the only difference was the 600 had a tremolo arm. George Harrison used a TW500 in the video for "Handle With Care" The Wilbury line of guitars were commissioned by George Harrison by calling Fred Gretsch III, I met Fred in Kansas City and we talked about it and then took pictures and he even signed a Gretsch Silver Falcon for my brother. Fred did a day long event with presentations and films about Gretsch guitars and even introduced a limited edition all white model made only for this store he was appearing at called "The Funky Monkey". Only 30 of the limited edition were made for that store only. He explained to me that George called him and explained what he wanted for his new band, so he made the guitars for him. He said to hang on to them because there weren't many made. Models were the TW100, TW200, TW300, TW400, TW500 & TW600. The cheapest TW100's were on sale for $79.99 at Montgomery Wards or even Sears. I ran into a guy from the Carolina's that found pallets of them in the basement of a warehouse he just bought. The guitars were brand new still sealed in cases of 6. So I had to buy the case of 6 for $1200. Glad I did now! Here are a few pix of the 1 I kept after selling the other 5.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Shelter got a reaction from Thelonious in WE ARE HEAR "ON THE AIR" ft Benmont Tench   
    A great and interesting listen right here, and a good cause in there too. (And finally I got to hear his take on Love Will Tear Us Apart! Man.. how.. Cohen:esque is that.. wonderful.)
     
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    Shelter got a reaction from Hoodoo Man in Vintage Feel Good Moment of The Day   
    Midnight Special
     
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    Shelter got a reaction from Arete411 in Vintage Feel Good Moment of The Day   
    Midnight Special
     
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    Shelter got a reaction from Hoodoo Man in Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers "cover songs"   
    Agreed. For the record, just speaking for myself, I might not think this song was the optimal match for TP. But I would certainly never call it a bad song. In fact I think it can be Berry good.
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    Shelter reacted to mikemono in Thoughts on Columbus, OH show from 1995   
    They didn't play a show on 3/10, but did on 3/9 and 3/11 (Petty Archives source). Also, it looks like you just uploaded the same file twice: the acapella-driven version of "It Won't Be Wrong" from the 5/30 Memphis TN show.
    Nevertheless, that's a great version of the song; the version they played on 3/5 was earlier in the set and a full band version that sounds much like the original Byrds recording, so it's interesting to compare the two.
    It Won't Be Wrong (live 3-5-95).mp3
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    Shelter reacted to Big Blue Sky in Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers "cover songs"   
    Why I appreciate musicians covering other musicians' songs.  
    Personally, I'm a big fan of music from 1950s & 1960s that TP and Heartbreakers cover, whether it's blues, country, R&B, rock & roll or soul. I might've known some of it, but following up on what music the guys from TPATH enjoy is an excellent way of continually expanding my horizons.  As we're all music-lovers here, we're probably going to be asked (at some stage) "How do you know about that musician? How'd you hear their song in the first place?"  
    Well, I'm sure I'm not the only one who follows up on songs I hear & tries to find out who else covered it & who the person was who created it... There's a whole network of who is influencing & inspiring who.  Fascinating.  (It'd be even more fun if I could play!) I love Eric Clapton MTV Unplugged (as did half the world) - especially how the music he selected is actually a masterclass of music heritage and the earlier generation of musicians who inspired him.  
    It's quirky to consider how TP started out playing gigs at 1960s school dances (where people wanted to let loose & dance) & somehow that joy never seemed to leave him. Anyway, it's fascinating exploration, leading to many treasures.  It has been keeping me entertained for a long time now.  In old days needed people with The Knowledge (i.e. uncles with excellent taste & my local 2nd hand vinyl shop) but now is made easier with sites like secondhandsongs.com  Oh my my oh hell yeah all the songs TPATH cover are a gift to music-lovers.  
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    Shelter reacted to Big Blue Sky in Covers of Tom Petty songs   
    Cool name!  Maybe Campbell Harrison could collaborate with young Dylan Petty?
     
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    Shelter got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Covers of Tom Petty songs   
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    Shelter reacted to peterdimples in TPATH Jones Beach June 21, 2005   
    I came across this 1985 show on YouTube, also at Jones Beach, NY. It has the original live version "Dogs on the Run" (not on Pack Up the Plantation) and ts pretty great.
     
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    Shelter reacted to Timflyte in where in the world are you?   
    So far , other than being tired, Im doing ok.
    I can't do as much yard work or cleaning or other things as I would like. But im doing ok. Thanks for the well wishes
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    Shelter reacted to TomFest in Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers "cover songs"   
    Could be, but Del's version is pretty much note for note with The Searchers.  The difference with Stevie and Tom's version is that Stevie sings her spectacular harmonies on every line of the song.  It really is one of my very favorite pieces of singing she ever did outside Fleetwood Mac.   Singing harmony is my favorite part of being a musician and they did amazing work together.
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    Shelter got a reaction from TheSameOldDrew in TPATH Jones Beach June 21, 2005   
    To me those songs mentioned all worked live. Splendidly well, even. As for TGTBT, that one, in my book, was one of the best ever. It was always high on my list of songs I wished they'd revisit. Too bad they never did. Not good enough?As it turns out it was too good to be true.
     
    "Most album songs" as in most albums songs that got played at all, that is. Let's not kid ourselves. Most album songs were not featured as a set piece even on their "initial tour". Quite a few of them were never played at all.*  
    As for OITC, I personally feel that while the song was a bit of rollicking roll on that premiere tour, in the long run it's not one of the stronger compositions. After all, it got undeservingly much attention there initially (overshadowing -arguably- stronger new material like Dark Of The Sun, You And I Will Meet Again and All Or Nothing), so personally I don't blame them for not keeping that one one. Sure, they could have revisit it sometime as a one-off, but to me there are a lot better songs down the years that has gotten a lot less stage time. Just saying. 
     
     
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    *If they actually had played all or most songs frequently when touring each new album, that would've made each and every tour very special and essential.
     
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    Shelter got a reaction from Mr Timba in Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers "cover songs"   
    That sure is incredible!
    If you ask me - please do - I'd say that is even miles better than the original.
    And that, in this particular line of business, is when the playing becomes real serious art, isn't it.
    The total world of covers is kinda like an ice berg, right? What's up there above the waterline, is the amazing stuff that has been taken somewhere new and exciting. Then, level with the surface, is the stuff that kinda compares. Then dive below, if you dare.. there are the stinky muck of the rest of it, all the countless and pointless versions of songs where the performers either does not wrap their heads around the original enough to decode or reconstruct it, or just fail in desperate attempts to catch a free ride on a famous song. The true art, to me, is to really get under the skin of the thing and reanimate it.. If you are good you may create a cool Frankenstein's monster, if you are great you leave the original behind like a shadow or blueprint and you show it's inner light.
    Having an eye and an ear to make this happen to a song that is perhaps unknown or bleak.. at best average ..in it's original shape - to see the potential of it - is one aspect of it. To rearrange an already amazing cut - and this seems, despite the intimidating prospect of it all, to be what most prefer to do, and why most fail, may I add - is obviously as thrilling as it is rewarding, when you pull it off.
    Of course it's up to individual taste, when a cover work and how it works, but I think - and I am certain I've said this before around here - covers are part of what playing music is all about. Understanding the legacy and exploring it, reforming it, expanding on it. It's an ongoing process, a stream in the midst of which all who play or write music will find themselves, no matter how original they are or think they are. So in many ways the craft of cutting a cover is also what separate the average and the posers from the real music ears and the real creative minds.*
    And.. here comes the punch line to all these ramblings - as if you didn't already know these things - I think TP(ATH) had a real keen ear for these things. Rarely did he pick a cover and not adding dimension or swagger to it.** He even was quite the master at picked a lot of briliant stuff, that really suited the TPATH vessel, and took some amazing songs to some amazing levels. Some of them had been mentioned in this thread. Tom had a voice and a phrasing and perhaps even a certain swing that really added some magic to a lot of those songs, at times even allowed them to outshine their former selves.***
    So it's very fitting - and more than fair - that you should now mention Mudcrutch! Much like the original Rolling Stones line-up and most other early stage bands, playing covers was a comparatively large part of what Mudcrutch did (from necessity - young bands just don't have a lot of own material early on, and Mudcrutch just happens to be the oldest young band I ever loved). To me most really interesting bands went on to keep this aspect close to heart while moving into stardom or classic status. And this must be said both for TPATH and Mudcrutch, surely. Unlike the former, though, the latter even kept a lot of this DNA alive on record (like so many 60s bands before them - just look at the british invasion scene, that was so key to understanding TP music, and how all those records are just packed with covers and versions of the same pool of songs largely). And that may be precisely why they deserve to be mentioned in this context.
    To me this is namely key to why the first Mudcrutch album will always be slightly superior to the second one. Simply because of it's perceived lack of originality, and how the band conduct themselves with such swagger and punch right through it, it ends up the more original album of the two. Which at least go some bits towards proving my main points in this post. The treatment of the traditional Shady Groove, the amazing take of Lover of The Bayou and the absolutely killer swing of Six Days On The Road.. man the latter is just pure fuel, isn't it. Right there.. they nail three evergreens, in what might be consider ultimate versions - it's like these songs been begging for the phrasing and cool beat of TP all their lives. Add to that covers they played when performing live. This is not a sign of weakness, mind you. This is the raw backbone of one of the best folk rock albums in the modern era. Kudos Mudcrutch, a point well taken!
     
     
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    *I guess there are lesser artists who have struck on the ultimate understanding of a song, the right circumstances and so on.. In fact several of the best cover versions in the history of rock happens to be one hit wonders, so you never know. Furthermore, I suppose there are great original artists who has never cut or played a single cover in their life, it's just that I can't think of any right now.
    **I suppose there are some classic 50s rockers that were played for the sheer joy of it and that didn't end up overly briliant, and I suppose TP tried to create himself one or two cover monuments too many over the years, songs that outstayed their welcome, IMO... But over all.. he never failed with the covers, to pick cool ones and to nail them. That is not to say that in my dreams he could have taken it even further.
    ***Perhaps this was especially highlighted in the Stan and Howie era (sure, I'm one of those guys). Still some of the grooviest song picks and versions to my personal taste belongs in the latter era of the band.
     
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    Shelter reacted to TheSameOldDrew in TPATH Jones Beach June 21, 2005   
    Great post MJ2LD.  I'll address a few points:
    I agree with all of that about Stan and his drumming.  And yes Steve brought a precision, but it was not right for the band, especially when his playing was too bass-drum heavy.  There was a recent interview with Ron Blair, where he noted that modern producers often want to "fix" the instrumentation by lining them up to be precisely on the beat, and Ron suggested that they not do that - and he even suggested that this is why modern recordings don't sound very good.  In the days where Stan was the drummer, Ron or Howie seemed to keep the beat via the bass, while Stan's drumming was generally off the beat.  That gave room for all to be heard.  Steve's precisely-on-the-beat drumming tended to stifle the bass, as well as much of the singing and the keyboards.   So precision is not always a positive factor, despite the Stan-disparaging comments from Jimmy Iovine.
    I agree with that, but I don't feel it's wise to have the drummer dictate the platform to the rest of the band.  That's why I say it seems as if Steve is playing as if he's the only one on stage, and is leaving it up to the rest of the band to find a place to fit in.  I suppose that's the old school thinking of the drummer as timekeeper and pace-setter, but it isn't how TPATH worked when Stan was the drummer, and the band was successful with Stan.  So that's why I feel it sounds "off" with Steve, additionally his drumming generally lacks creativity and "feel" for the song.  It's as if he is thinking "Ok I'm the drummer, I'll lay down a basic track, and they can build off of that".   It all becomes generic and boring, plus it doesn't leave room for the others.  A good example of this is Steve's drumming at the Super Bowl in 2008, especially on American Girl.  Just too generic for my taste.  
     
    Yes, I did point that out - that Stan refused to play the drum rolls during Free Fallin', which were an integral part of the song, simply because Phil Jones came up with them and he didn't.  I recall reading Stan saying that Phil had some "interesting ideas" on FMF (or something like that), so he was somewhat praising Phil but still refusing to copy the important parts.  Which was a bit silly when you consider that Stan did play the opening drums on Don't Do Me Like That in essentially the same way Randall Marsh played them in the original Mudcrutch version.  Whether that drum idea was Tom's or Randall's, I don't know, but it wasn't Stan's and he still played it.  
    You are right that Steve was very good about playing the drum parts originated by others.  Whether it was him playing the drum part for AWB's Pick Up The Pieces originated by Robbie McIntosh, or the Phil Jones part for Free Fallin', or various Stan originated parts, etc.  Steve did them fairly faithfully, though a big robotically, again not really seeming to have quite the same feel for the songs as the original drummers.  As far as the 1995 tour, I think one reason Tom turned Learning to Fly into an acoustic song, was that he was afraid that Steve would imitate Stan's complex drumming on that song, and he didn't want to be reminded of Stan - just a guess there though.          
    As much as I don't like Steve's drumming on the albums and concerts prior to 2006, I do think he did a good job on Mojo and an excellent job on Hypnotic Eye.  HE is the first post-Stan album where I don't think Stan could have significantly improved the drumming.  HE is a different sounding album, and Steve often plays cymbals instead of a heavy bass drum, he also seems to have the light touch of a jazz drummer, which is appropriate for many of the tracks on HE.  Even on the heavier songs like American Dream Plan B, Steve's drumming seems just right.  It's too bad they couldn't make a follow up album, now that they were truly in the groove as a band, at least in the studio.  In concert I still had some of the same problems with Steve's live drumming, all the way through 2017, though it had improved a lot after 2005 IMO.  Maybe some of that was due to the sound systems, as you suggest, but the sound system is the means by which the fans hear the concert.     
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    Shelter got a reaction from MaryJanes2ndLastDance in Who got a "Walls" harmonica?   
    I have no idea. I'm just glad that I accidentally missed that show when Ben threw his grand piano into the crowd. I heard that he was raging mad that night and I was supposed to be standing right there, where it hit. Lucky me, I had that last minute dentist appointment, I heard that afterwards all the keys were flat.
     
     
     
     
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    Shelter got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Who got a "Walls" harmonica?   
    Legendary!
     
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    Shelter reacted to Big Blue Sky in Photo of the Day IV: Don't it feel like Heaven   
    Dang!  beat me by a second!!! Tip of the hat to you Shelter!!
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    Shelter got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Photo of the Day IV: Don't it feel like Heaven   
    ^^ That picture illustrates quite well the difference between It's Good To Be King and It's Good To Be Indy Car.
    Not sure it helps to nail it down, but still.
    Sorry. I'm in a silly mode today.
     
     
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    Shelter got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Photo of the Day IV: Don't it feel like Heaven   
    On a bit more of a serious note, I found this, tracking the image source:
    “A cool shot of Tom Petty and George Harrison hanging out in a Penske hospitality tent at the Grand Prix of Long Beach sometime in the early 90s. Just a couple of Traveling Wilburys at the race track.”
    Settles it?
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    Shelter got a reaction from Mudcrutch in LIVE - March 12th, 1992, Grugahalle, Essen, Germany (FULL)   
    I totally missed that this video's been floating around... amazing, and alternative to Take The Highway
     
     
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