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    Can someone post a direct link to Curt drumming with them? It didn't show up after Walls and searching through youtube turned up nothing.

     

    Thanks!

    Oh, sorry for the delay.. forgot about it. Here's something

    Were the She's The One tracks featuring Curt Bisquera recorded prior to the Wildflowers sessions?

    Been wondering that same thing. If it was a chronological thing, a phase, or merely a matter of flavor. Hopefully someone knows..

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    ^ Well.. :D Something like that, right?

     

    You can probably boil it all down even further, all the way to the "who cares". Which I can't help feeling a little sad about. Personally I will always hold a candle for the album cause.

     

    Sidenote: That new profile picture of yours is awesome!! I still have that exact tour poster somewhere, in giant format. Maybe it should not be rolled up and stored away..

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    Sure thing, pretty much all I'm saying too. :) Always sad when support means stepping on toes. I suppose, in some ways silence rocks too.. in much the same way some of the best ever albums are albums never made, ironically. That's the stuff of legends. As long as MC is happy and knows we love the music, I'm happy too. But no drama, really. No reason to step back on wishing that he didn't have to choose. True that, true vibes.

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    I want to love it, but it just ultimately lets me down as an album.

    Fair enough, like always, discussing production and sound of various albums is interesting, but a lot of what you say here, to me it's pure crazy talk. :)

    "Minimalistic" perhaps, but I don't, at all, understand, or even hear the cold or "tin" aspect of the HE sound sometimes mentioned. Sounds mostly like plastic free, intense rock to me, if that is what gives you a sense of metallic cans..? ;) What's more - to me HE is among the most beautifully realized in all of the catalogue, both in terms of parts and sum, both in terms of material and sound/production. Simply brilliant, most of it. And a very effective album, perhaps especially so from a vinyl point of view, with the two archs that is the a and b sides.. an art form not always carried out to perfection, or even kept in mind these days. -- Still I have a hard time picking one fav song of the batch. That said, I too would enjoy hearing what some of my fav producers would have made of the material, sure.

    Ok, just had to disagree. To each their own. :)

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    ^ Oh, I for one am guilty of assuming a thing or two. By all means. All in genuine curiosity though. -- A lot of what you say ties in well with what I'm thinking. That this is really, at the core, about priorities, about loyalty and partnership. Loyalty and a partnership that are not exactly threatened in any way, if I am to take a wild guess.

     

    I don't know these people in person, their masterplans or the specific where's and why's when it comes to defentitions of, and lines between 40+ years of friendship and at least 40 years of professional level A greatness that is at work here, but I will try to resort to basic logic. -- It's just that, to me, if the nucleus to "Boys of Summer" (to keep using that well picked symbol and to avoid adding production work, session work and general performing to the messy picture) could go to Henley, once TP decided he didn't want it for himself or TP&TH, then what's the difference if MC would have cut it himself? Or in this here case, if he records a handful of DK songs that TP decides he doesn't want anyway?

     

    Like most of us, I am gonna assume that MC takes more or less all his creative ideas, or the core aspects of such, through TP, once they are going anywhere, before even trying to use them elsewhere. That - again - is what I mean with loyalty and priority.. To contractually establish such an "order of proceedings" would be both reasonable, quite understandable and quite a different thing from preventing MC from even having any second or third hand priorities in terms of what to do with whatever leftover time and material that he may feel fun or interesting to develop and/or put his own mark (or even name) on.

     

    TP and MC are after all two people and what would theoretically and/or practically works in a DK context, doesn't necessarily work - or even make sense - in a TP context. So why then deny it's exisitens as something else, something friendly that can co-exist - that is, if TP doesn't want a certain material anyway.. then what's the problem? (Unless of course, all of DK current material is to understood as songs that MC withholds from TP, but I'm gonna assume that is not where this is at.) This is not even a question of one undermining the other, as far as I understand the issue.

     

    To me it remains strange. And no matter, I'm sure Mike is all a gentleman about it, anyway.. I'm sure, again, in the big scheme of things, he's got no reason to complain. That's why I do it for him. :D Those are some killer songs that would make for a killer album. No further questions.

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    I think it's ridiculous to think that he has to give up one for the other.  The man is 65 years old.  He should be able to do whatever the hell he wants!

    Something like that, yeah.

    While being clueless w/r/t what the fine print stipulates, hearing this makes me wonder.. Given that you can't buy someone's soul (not stop a sun from shining, as it were), that is you can't really control where someone else should keep his creative mind and inner thoughts at all times anyway, I suppose what it has to come down to is loyalty, right? To be contractually obliged to prioritize your "main gig" at all times (being available physically or creatively) over whatever petty gigs (pun intended) you take on on the side, is one thing, but I seriously doubt - and find it quite ridiculous - that TP has anything to fear in terms of MC deserting him, starting a mutiny or rouse the rabble in any way harmful for TP or TP&TH, in such a way that it has to be legally written that TP owns his ass in all public matters and that in actual effect he can't have side gigs at all, at least not recorded and in his own artist name. Again, I don't know the details here, but I guess we gotta take his words.

    As for me, I think MC has plentyful (and then some) to show for his loyalty, without being singled out at the one Heartbreaker prevevented to make a record. After all - he has obviously been trusted to write, produce, record, show up in interviews and videos, and perform with all kinds of other artists (who may or may not be in the market to compete with TP and/or TP&TH) for ages, using his own name (forever tied to that of TP anyway) as a contributor, but apparently he's not allowed to make records in his own namehead lining - or under the seriously less commercial name of Dirty Knobs for that matter, as if they would ever come close to outgrow or even seriously compete with TP legend anyway.

    Hm.. Come to think of it.. What with DK generally avoid using their real names - somewhat Traveling Wilburys style - although everybody knows pretty much who they are, and all.. Maybe MC insistently calling himself Tom Petty (really funny that, btw!) in that official (rare as such) little video - linked in the other thread - was nothing but a funny little way to circumvent his legal rights to officially be himself within the context of another band than TP&TH. If so, that was pure genius!

    All that said, who knows what's up. Not that TP is not to be considered the coolest boss, or that MC probably get reimbursed quite handsomely for tying his hands like this, but still.. This set-up - at least from what is implied - seems unnecessarily stingy to me. Main thing is that MC is happy - but again, personally I would love for him, like Ben, to be able to make a record (or two). Couldn't possibly ruin the future career of the "main gig" in all our hearts and minds, could it?

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    Didn’t see this until today, but in case someone is interested in checking this out, there are actually (kinda like I predicted all along..) now a selection of four tracks from the fanclub exclusive live album “Live 2013” made available at Spotify. That’s not the whole thing, at least not as of yet. But still.. it might be less fun for HCC members to once again get their club benefits watered out, but it’s unquestionably awesome that Steppin’ Stone, Willin’ and the killer version of Tweeter & The Monkey Man are hence officially released. Truly fantastic recordings, IMO!

    What’s more, I discovered that Spotify offers a playlist that “recreates” the June 3rd 2013 show from the Fonda - complete with TP “commentary” in between songs, made exclusively for Spotify! Could be fun to hear, right? But hold on. It turns out to be a really oddball promotional move, since that show, of course, is not officially available at all – keyword is “recreates” - most of the commentary is along the lines of “here’s one from the Full Moon Fever album” and most of the actual playlist consists of the album versions of the tracks played at the Fonda on the 3rd. (That is all cept the same four “Live 2013” tracks are studio, actually. And only one of those – Willin’ - was actually recorded at the Fonda at all - perhaps not even on the 3rd, I don’t know..) All in all, I’m not sure whether it’s TP or Spotify getting the desperate end of this particular stick? I didn’t know it existed until today and just thought I’d mention it here, since no matter what, it’s part of the legend now in some sense..

     

    On a somewhat related sidenote.. They (the TP office and/or Spotify) still haven’t agreed to cancel that Father’s Place, Roslyn album listing that we discussed earlier this year. But they seem to have made it a bit harder to find. Unless it’s my computer playing tricks on me (AI, right?) the title does not seem to be listed, until you specifically search for it, then it shows up. Perhaps a trade off of sorts, if a strange one at that. Still don’t know why they let that one pass.. but it’s still there to be streamed.

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    Wow, thanks for sharing all that! Love it! Love it a lot! Some of the most and best stuff Ive seen by/with them so far. Really makes me bummed that I don't live in CA no more..

    Can't get my head around the equation though, them being big enough (feeling big enough, thinking it a decent idea, or whatever) to do the rather daft golden ticket thing, at the same time, somehow not being (feeling) big enough to put out records.. although they clearly are and should be about the music. Man, I'd like to be able to buy some of that great music on vinyl or file. So, to me there's seems to be some mighty backwards priorities, but who knows what's up with that.. Really wish they will cut an LP or why not a live record some day, that's for sure.

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    Shady Grove? That's Fairport's Matty Groves isn't it?! And no doubt many versions before right back to Henry VIII.

    I like to think so. Although they (Mudcrutch) may not be aware of this, since the American version(s) itself dates back to the 1700s too, as far as I know.. And many of "the usual suspects" - McGuinn, Cale, Bill Monroe, Big Joe Williams, Everly Brothers and so on - also done their takes of it.

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    ^ I'm not familiar with Fairport Convention, Shelter. What type of music is it?

    "Sandy Denny - voice of an angel". Right! Exactly that.

    Fairport at it's best is madly groovy uk folk:ish rock. Think Shady Grove, but british.. and with female vocals.. and you are about half way there. Also think Zeppelin's Battle of Evermore and the voice is right there next to Plant's. Fairport's Liege and Lief.. or Unhalfbricking.. some of the best ever records.. but the BBC stuff is killer too. Check out the Heyday album for some of the best Cohen cover you will ever hear. Magic stuff pretty much.

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    Letting you Go, many don't realise there was a video for this one

    Right you are, absolutely wonderful, if traditional in every way. Love it!

    Also, one of the forgotten ones seems to be Make It Better. Quite elaborate, if somewhat goofy. All around fun, in the general style of the Alice themed DCAHNM. They look pretty cool and pehaps a bit.. well.., in a 1985 kind of way.. Stan playing standing up is something else. Of all the songs from that album, they had to pick that one for a video?? Daft, I say. But fun all the same.

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    Yeah.. soon half the catalogue has got mentioned :) Just goes to show.

     

    Wake Up Time (A somewhat shaky vocal, but so full of care and softness, many different nuances, also shifting into talking gear and back into singing mode again.)

     

    Crawling Back to You (His voice does the storytelling, far more than the lyrics.)

    I really agree with those! Probably should've mentioned them as well. As I probably should have mentioned what is implied w/r/t the storytelling qualities of TP vocals. -- How about I also add Good Enough to my list.. perhaps Somewhere Under heaven too.. speaking of storytelling..

    And in fact, every so often, what strikes me as most captivating with TP vocals, is the phrasing! TP really is the king of phrasing, isn't he! Often times this aspect is especially highlighted in a genius bridge (middle eight) and TP's also always been a bit of a rock royalty in composing those over the years. Some of my all time fav moments in his catalogue - and in music in general - are TP bridges (the compositon, often the lyrics too.. and always that phrasing) - those vocals are just shilling. "I don't understand the world today.. I don't understand what she needed.." or, by all means.. an all time favorite, comes to mind.. "Sometimes I wonder if this is worth the trouble.. Sometimes I wonder if this is worth the fight.." Skipping along.. sliding.. such perfection. "Let it all ride."

    Some marvelous sh*t all the way!

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    Oh, that's a good one. So many..

     

    As far as live performances go.. it's next to impossible to tell.. betweed memories, various tapes, official releases and all.. Guess most stuff with TP and Howie singing harmonies strikes a special chord with me.. Those voices blended so beautifully and sometimes they just knocked me. Perhaps It Won't Be Wrong from Fillmore? Or so many moments from the 92, 95 or 97 tours? I can't pick. And although I still miss Howie's additional dimension ever so often, Scott backs it up beautifully too and TP's own voice, I think, has aged with a certain special charm, the coolness intact, maturity added. I really love his voice during the 2003 Vic dates and over the recent tours in general. Stuff like Stepping Stone really rings like a bell, just to name drop one out of dozens.

     

    Speaking of the records, I really love the spookyness of Luna and the softness of Fullgrown Boy (more or less all of Hypnotic Eye is fantastic singing!). The swinging coolness of Letting You Go or Down South, the flow of You And I Will Meet Again and also the irresistable attitude of the likes of American Girl and Wrong Thing To Do. Again Howie comes to mind and their singing on Into The Great Wide Open (the song, but also the album in general), Something In The Air (soarly underrated!!) or Mary Jane - truly fantastic stuff of Gods, IMHO. (In fact the only thing I don't love particularly, is the very rare occasion of the key (?) not being quite optimal, or the delivery over charged and the voice kinda cracks (for lack of better word) in a certain "crampy" way and the airy, cocky or punchy feel gets a bit flat. )

     

    Oh - you wanted a short answer?  Too Good To Be True?

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