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Hm.. Believe I changed my mind on this one. I would go with the recording I make when TPATH play an informal three hour gigs of their own favorites in my house. Hahaha.. It's settled. So obvoius once I thought about it... I even plan on strumming along some myself, so I can cash in when the label decides TP is worthy of releasing and that this Live at Shelter's is the golden egg they need to lay.

^ Great insight. I think there's a lot to be said for all that. It doesn't make the state of affair any less abysmal, though. That kind of thinking also allows for detecting another watershed, between those "aging rock stars" that have the integrity and character to do stuff their own way - within or out of - the control of an aging stuck giant record label - and those who simply lost it don't. That is, at a certain level you can act according to the my way or the highway rule. I mean.. no one, I think, tells Neil Young what to do - he manage to act creatively and very modern, despite the limited appeal (commercially speaking) of his most crazy concepts - or no one stops Jerry Lee Lewis to go see Jack White at Third Man records (or if it was the other way around) to get yellow vinyl issues out, when none of the giants thinks him worthy of even a download. Go figure. That is I buy that the big labels that handle most of these aging guys are retards, but I don't buy that the guys in questions are their slave. It's 2015. A new world. If anything, I think the fact that TP got to do Mudcrutch, shows quite some artistic freedom and integrity, both from him and the label, but that apparently either was fluke, or the last straw of the kind. Which leaves me wondering, once again, why all this talk if none of it was actually a done deal? And am I to worry for the supposedly upcoming Mudcrutch as well.. I guess I am. But a rotten deal is not mandatory, I am pretty sure TP knows this, and is known not to sh*it around on any level so... I'm none the wiser even if what you say seems a clear cut analysis of the market.

Why do I post in this thread, one might ask oneself. Being a patented fan of his looks but a patented sceptic of the patented Lynne ways with music, I was (looking for a word close to but not quite the same as floored) very happy when I realized that this new ELO effort is really really good!! Don't know bout members anymore (didn't Jeff tour with Take That - the musicians not the dancing dolls?) and I sure as hell can't tell this from a Jeff solo album.. All I know.. it is amazingly good this album. Has to be one of the best albums with new music out this year. Kudos! Bonus tracks are also on Spotify.

They just have to be f $#king with us, right? This is now officially beyond repair as far as a normal professional release goes. I am disappointed, I sh*t you not, but if they can't handle this little release by rock legend TP, despite all the big words, then we surely never again will get anything remotely archival. From the outside it would seem they were happay with the likes of RDAD film and Live Anthology, but apparently they have @@#%= for brains, or something else is the matter. Either way it is now too late not to be associated with major incomptence no matter what happens. I never lose my appetite for rare recordings, but the parade is long since peed on, the party dead. I just can't believed one of my all time favorites pulled a 'Chinese Democracy' on me like this. How pathetic.

Happy Birthday!!

and as a bonus.. digging really deep.. I felt like sharing this one. more interesting than good, (especially due to the sound quality) this is a decent outtake from the SN's 1985 "Rock a Little" album. TP is adding some flavor if you listen closely. hope this works. Rock a Little Outtakes - Battle Of The Dragon (Take 5) - feat Tom Petty.mp3

Well, yeah.. "overrated" may have been a bad choice of words on my part as far as PUTP goes. Nevertheless, the song in question is, to me, way more underrated than the album will ever be.. And moving on.. even ahead.. 'tis the season.. eventually.. so..

No.. man.. I was just paraphrasing the patented Homer Simpson damn-it shout of disappointment - as a joke - over the fact that Ryan has first shot on this dream guitar of mine. I am certainly not laughing in any other way. I am - like I said - full of awe at what some of you guys have in your collection. Nothing but respect and envy here, so give me a break. And let me have 2nd.. or 11th shot.. ok?

Well, I appreciate the thoughts put into refuting it never the less . For the sake of explaining myself, let me just briefly address some of your objections. Yeah, well.. I see your point, if conditional to a certain way of listening. Both to Surrender and to the album. That is it depends on how straight up you want to hear the album, as opposed to hearing various angles and chronology coming and going in the material. To me it still fits quite well. But you are right in this, and it kinda takes the edge of your argument, doesn't it... It would be another album. Not necessarily with another title, but that again would depend on how you listen to the material I guess. An alternative title would be fun to ponder - the thought never occured to me, cause unlike imagining what the session could've resulted in in terms of sequencing, outtakes, even arrangements or production issues, still is playing around with what we have, what's there. An alternative title would be leaving that realm. It would be entering the hyper hypothetical. Not to say pointless. (Sure, it could be called "Six Hours to Louisiana, Black Coffe Going Cold", it could be called "Cold Nights A Go-Go", or "Century City Love Life" for all I care, I don't know. Point is I don't think it need another title and if it did it would be beyond me to name it.) True. Unless you create that alternative version and let it play out. Feel it's pros and cons.Sometimes it's not immediately clear what is missing and what would solve the riddle, but often times you can achieve results that are at least a good deal less puzzling than the original "real" deal. Again, I'm not saying DTT is in dire need of alternation (I think it's a classic that works really well and I think albums like DJ or Echo or Mojo, or even Southern Accents or perhaps Wildflowers benefits much more from such alternative treatments.) Still, it's fun to me to consider what would've happen had it ran slighlty different - and I think that what the sessions produced in terms of material and the fact that the album itself is at least one filler short of total perfection as I see it, opens this type of secret portal to an imaginary alternative. And while you are right in a way.. you cannot put in "spare parts", doing differnt things and then expect the same original product to be the outcome.. - it's another album, we established that - you actually can put in alternative original parts, filling totally different, similar or even same:ish functions and expect an altered original (more or less true to what it once was but hopefully somehow better and more fair to the total of recorded material). All that said, I usually do this to a lot lesser albums than DTT, albums where I see almost no point in revisiting the original after having created what I find to be the superior version. DTT will always be revisited and enjoyed. Despite What Are You Doing In My Life.

D'oh!!

Thanks for sharing cool info, and a fun video. Reminds me of the old MC guitar video series that HCC:ers used to get treated to over at the officials some years back. Gold was that. As for the spending money on guitars.. Let it be known the rub and grind marks in this case, are a kinda fun feature, in a nerdy kind of way. That said, I don't like factory mint equipment. Simple as that, really. Now, I am not the pro or semi-pro with a lot fancy rigs, playing skills or knowledge when it comes to guitars. that I know some of you guys are (and I am in awe of some of what you've been showing off around here, let that be known too! ). But I do love guitars and stringed instruments in general and the occasional other piece of stuff too, I love playing them as good as I can and love what they feel like and the atmosphere they are holding and transmitting.. and that is why I only buy used, older instruments. I just like them to come with a history and a soul of their own, a built in personality... the real rub and grind if you will.. and that's my free ride to an extra dimension in my own playing, I like to think. Or it just makes the room feel warmer to me. It's just a nicer bunch of bodies to hang around than any top notch new guitars shop can ever offer me. So, sometimes instruments clutter up this place, sometimes some of them moves on to other players.. get left behind or lended to someone for uncertain periods of time, the few really special ones gets to stay of course. I treat them nicely and with care, but I rarely clean them beyond the dimension of work wear.. It's all part of how I like it and this is why my favorite pieces ranks from ancient (not quite) bandoneons that I can't even play to a 1920's german mandolin banjo over one or two beat up acoustic guitars to my near mint Rick 360 Fireglow that is not ultra old but old enough I guess.. All that said in favor of old stuff - though the really old stuff is way beyond my reach financially, being it once used by pro league rock stars or simply just antiques of high value - the look, feel and sound is what matters and all that can be have bountiful for less money than people care to think. With a bit of luck and some passion I don't think I ever paid more than $800 for anything.. and rarely over $200 even.. That is my five cents. Quite literally.

One might say this one is nothing special.. a standard album track. But, released as a single as it was, back in 1985, this one is rather overlooked. Just listen to the simple details - great blend of the voices, it's a nice swinging live rendition of a classic, if lighthearted pop effort of a song. One of the really underrated gems from one of the slightly overrated albums, IMO. (Audio only - sorry)

and while I'm at it.. let's have a peek at how it ended as well.. Some rather rare photage of the guys at work on what came to be the Rock On! album, featuring TP, Jeff, Ben, Howie and the lot.. Caution - a LOT of fun and laughs in this one! What a disaster that it had to end....

So, I knew it was out there somewhere.. and now I found it.. This is more or less the start of the TP-DS connection, as I've come to undertand things. At least from a public point of view. Apparently TP having the legend on stage sparked some ideas, in both of their heads.

^ That would depend on what the rest of such imaginary band ("Stevie Nick and the Lacebreakers") would look like. But I like the idea as such.. Her music and persona and his temper and touch is a good match. Then again, so was the musical match between SL and TP (even if TP apparently didn't think so, or appreciated it, and even if their personal differences eventually got the best of them and the music was demoted to secondary priority). And that goes to show how a musical match made in heaven is not a guarantee. I have no idea how Stevie and Stan would work on a personal level, but at least in theory it's a fun thought. Anyway.. Here's yet another one that didn't make it quite this way...

so tired of waiting for peace on earth, the end of greed, decency and sanity of all man.. and.. all the rest...

^ hey, nice! good one that I haven't seen (or heard) in ages. always strikes me as refreshing with those back up singers. not something TP often uses (even less often to great effect), but here it work wonders, them girls blending in with Scott and co. such a great line up and sound on this show! thanks!

Hey, thanks for that post! Certainly a favorite album and a favorite artist. The Shannon band being where TP picked up Howie, makes the connection even stronger. As if the Drop Down And Get Me album, the "Me and Del were singing" and Rock On! wasn't enough. Del certainly would have added some much needed flavor on Traveling Wilburys Vol 3 and beyond, had he kept on living. Too bad we, the rock fans, lost him the way we did. Agreed, the The Heartbreakers' playing on DDAGM is fantastic. I hold this and Cash's Unchained as two of the very best Heartbreakers albums of all, ahead of several of the TP&TH albums in fact. I don't have the fine prints on session dates, but I think it's commonly known that work on Drop Down And Get Me, at least idea, the early stages of song writing and so on, began as early as 1978, when Shannon quit some of his habits (drinking and what have you) and supposedly hit a phase of inspiration of sorts. It's also often mentioned how the album took the better part of two years to record and that TP was key from the start. And if that is so, we are at least back in 1980 and thus certainly before or at least simultaneous with Hard Promises, sure. Not that they are totally alike on all levels, but I see what you're getting at, definately. For those of you not familiar with what we're talking about (if that is possible?!), here's what the album was kicked off with.. Classic Shannon/Petty: And here's a live version.. different band.. but check out the young bass player, folks!

Call me lazy.. and obvious.. but this just has to be here, right? Always a treat to listen for the little things in this masterpiece.

^^ Good, glad you liked it. That's the spirit. And now, let's jump ahead a bit, for this nice crisp piece of wonder from 2006..

I don't know how interesting this is to the Farmers, but given how key them working together has been over the years - a reccuring thing to happen and loved by fans on both sides and music fans in general - I was thinking this could be the place to post good, interesting, classic or obscure photage, videos and sound clips featuring TP and Stevie Nicks together.. I'll start with a few tidbits from the early days, that is probably not among the most common things you've ever heard... Ottakes from Stevie's and Heartbreakers' session reels from 1980. Unreleased music history in the making that I find deeply fascinating myself. I'll add more later. Enjoy! And keep adding your own TP & SN moments on here

Still traffic, man... But maybe more in a Queen way, admittedly. Queens highway, Queens road.. ah.. I should've known it.

^ Don't expect to win big on playing those odds. Since a varied setlist does not seem to be in the stars for whatever TP shows the future holds - oh, now we are talking betable odds for winning big!!!!* - I actually would like if, for the big 40, they had the guts to scrap any live plans for a tired hits revue the old no brainer way and just hit the road with Mudcrutch instead. As if 2016 is nothing special at all. Or just hit us with some peeks into the vaults of recordings. Or a new album. Anything. I dare them. ----- * Some recidency type freak accident happy exception may be force majeure:d accordingly by the betting agency.

^ Seymour, yes, like I said, it really should be him. As for evident connection later than the 70s.. There is only what was news to me and what made me start this thread: TP being on the DT track "Girls" from 1984. I know of nothing of a later date either.

So, one could say.. you're stuck out of Traffic?!