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  1. Posted · Edited by Shelter · Report reply

    I haven't heard it yet.  Supposedly, members of the official TPATH board get a 30 day trial membership of Sirius.  At least I think I read that.  I haven't looked into it yet. But I get your point about all this.  Maybe this is the new normal?   We know artists aren't making money they way they used to from their music, and maybe this is the new way?

    I'll see if I can get on Sirius and capture the song. I don't see it on Youtube yet.  

     

    Hey, thanks man! Appreciate your words. 30 day trial for HCC:ers, you say? Yeah, HCC would offer that kind of bonus - no surprise there. Very much their style, since in fact anyone can get a 30 day trial. I already did. Trying to figure the set up out. And while I'm not sure how the real subscription would work for an abroad listener as myself, at least the streaming of the station works fine on the trial. So, now I just have to sit here listening all day and all night, all week, all year.. to perhaps be so lucky to hear a song or two that I'd be more than willing to pay for in their own right, without the rides.

    As for capturing.. At least on the trial there are no way to even listen on demand (other than the old BT shows, of course). It's just live streaming. And I don't know if I can continue to be a fan of an artist who ask me to do that kind of sacrifice to hear his new stuff. Let alone a well known integrity guru like TP. My preference to own a copy of whatever music I happen to like put aside, I need to sleep and I need to eat. How will I ever catch the odd rare or new song? (Oh, man.. people think Somewhere Under Heaven went unnoticed.. they ain't seen nothing yet apparently... as far as strategy goes.. man..)

     

    I really don't have the funds to be spending 200+ dollars a year just for internet radio.
    I wish there was a way for fans to get JUST that channel via the HCC club (which is already 50 a year ish), because 30 days just isn't good enough. lol

    Well.. certainly! Seems slightly an upper scale type product, doesn't it. Again, I wouldn't mind as much if the deal included play on demand services on everything and possiblities for subscribers to freely download original (TP) songs, live shows. In fact that would've have been both modern and decent. For a straight live streaming station though (plus archival BT shows) I'd say this is designed more for the well to do than for people that cares to keep track of the music.  

    I'm still not sure where this is gonna leave me, to tell you the truth.

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    I don't believe it, no. Sadly so. In Europe - after more or less breaking TP&TH commercially in the mid 70s and fans being used to see them at least occasionally in the 80s and early 90s, many got it bad having to wait 20 years to see them again in 2012. I can't imagine what Australian fans must feel like, and I don't even want to try. The horror! I know you are quite a few too.

    That said, I don't think they ever did a World Tour in that sense. They did US tours,of course. Tons and tons. And they did a few tours (and separate dates) in Europe. And a few dates in Canada. I guess the only World Tour they ever did was when backing Bob in 1986/7. That's my take. No matter - I do wish for you that they come down there hitting some venues with their show, though. (Asia, South America and all that.. may be too late for them now..) They need to come back to Europe too at least once before parking their slippers in the beach house studio for all eternity.  

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    So.. I was right? In both my inklings.. that yes this is indeed gonna be a stone groovy thing in terms of listening pleasure - and yes, it is indeed also gonna be a smelly behind gates sort of thing in the sense that material will be exclusive to Sirius customers, streamed only and not released or heard elsewere? Which mean you won't be able to keep follow the doings of TP(&TH, solo, Mudcrutch) unless you are willing - and welcome - to become a Sirius subscriber on some level and have 24-7 hours time on your hands, or what?

    Wait, I am confused.. not sure I get it all right.. in terms of what my chances are to hear new TP music from now on? How internationally available and unlimited is this station, the streaming, the offers and so on...? How definite is all this is in general? And how does it works.. Does it really mean that you're shunned from the TP heads just because you want to buy your music the old fashioned way (records, files?) . Am I ditched unless I buy the ticket and take the whole package, the oldies, the side rides or whatever? I really have to inform myself on the fine print here, but it seems to me.. that this is actually gonna be really really worrisome for me. I - as a record buying dude - is no longer wanted as a fan? Am I to understand that correctly??

    So, this new song (can't believe there is not talk about it all over the place?!? is it cause it so exclusive almost no one heard it?? - come on peoples, tell me about this song!!! I am so f?%king curious!! Start a thread about it already!! Try to describe it in words (if that's what it's come to?!) A new TP song is BBIIGG news to some of us that can't hear it).. And then again.. where can I get it? (Joke!) Can I get it? (Seriously?) Do I have to get and listen to the radio to ever heari it? This how All The Rest and Mudcrutch is gonne be released now..

    Did I say I am worried? I am scared shitless to tell you the truth.

    Well.. this my dear friends, may be the gate where I can or should no longer follow? Is this, finally, the end of a beautiful ride?

    :huh:

     

    Tell me it isn't so.

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    Nice work! Thanks for sharing the review and interview, Liberty! Clever and passionate!

    As for biopics, I am torn. They are a quilty pleasure at best. Can't help being drawn in at times, but like Zanes implies, I'm always left with a feeling of being told a well designed lie, of being taken for a "rough ride". Sure it's "based on a true story", but what on earth isn't? Even Peter Pan is based on a true story. It just let go of the handrail. So, come on.. I suppose I prefer the lines a bit blurred, the reality symbolic, artistic, dreamy, rather than fake-straight, fake-real. I often times get as much reality that way. Or more. So, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't even want to see a TP movie done the Ray or Walk The Line way. (Although it would indeed be hilarious beyond the unreal to see Brian May act the part of MC!! :D Maybe the 1986 edition of Bob Dylan could do Howie then?! and we'd soon have and alternative bizarro world band forming.. )

     

    I think, if there were to  be a TP movie, that it would be best if played by multiple actors, sort of like Bob Dylan's characters in I'm Not There. That's neat.

    Yes. Love that idea! In my book that would be the only way to do it. I can picture "Something Big" or "The Trip To Pirate's Cove" to be sections in such film. (I can probably make room in my calender, should any film maker need help to brain storm some "chapter" ideas for such movie. What fun! :D ) 

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    Highway Companions Club, Sirius Radio

     

    "How much you'll pay for what you used to get for free"

     

    Well. You got me thinking. There is something to that, I suppose. In a way. Golden circles, paid for VIP:ism, co-deals and gated communities.. Really uncool. Help making the world a colder and greedier place. To me personally it's not a quiestion of getting things for free though. I realize and even cherish the thought that other people need to live too. Some of them even need to live large, and I have no problem with that. Some of them might even deserve a better life than others. I don't know and it's not where this is at for me anyway. No, I'm most distraught about what's usually the built in mechanism with such "pay gates" these days, their very point if you like: namely, that in order to buy something that you like to have (or to hear or to see) you are forced to buy a gazillion other things in order to get it. Usually the model also stipulates that in order to get that huge heap of crap, within which lays buried your cherished item, you have to sign deals and subscriptions with people, brands, sponsors or products that are often times more or less irrelevant to you or the item you originally wanted. That's how crap stays in fashion, it clings to other crap and to actual gold, like radioactive leeches, refuse to die, but multiplies until giant clusters of craps can't no longer change hands, get stuck in transaction and has to be rocketed deep into (cyber) space and nuked, so we can start our foul ways all over, slowly adding insult to injury, combining brands into clusters of plastic and swag around what really matters.. Not only are there no such thing as a free lunch - go figure, if you thought so, but there's no such thing as getting what you paid for and nothing but what you paid for either. Usually both the free and the paid option comes with a major screw in terms of selling your soul when all you wanted was a Sam Cooke record so to speak.

    As far as the current example goes, yes, I would personally much rather be able to buy and enjoy whatever music TP puts out, without having to sign up for Sirius, buying certain equipment, become a Facebook:er, a Twitter:er(..er), a Air Castle Club member, a licenced Chiquita eater, an Apple Inc user, or whatever else I may need to turn myself into in order to hear a certain song. Yes, I much rather didn't have to pay, just to listen to hours and hours and hours of the same music I've already paid several times to have and to listen to whenever I please (on the equipment of my liking), in order to get the odd chance to catch a few minutes of something I really want and don't already have. 

    Still.. man, a Radio Station Totally Dedicated to TP... Can it be anything but a groovy thing? Things, including radio stations, cost money, so.. why not pay for this? At least let's just see what they make of it before we sound the alarm, shall we. Seems like there's gonna be plenty of value on there. And who says they can't stay true to Cool and Honest by making whatever new or archival music that surface on this new station available for purchase elseways too, free of side-deals for those whom prefer thusly? To me that's the breaking point, and while I'm cautious - seeing the issues involved here* - I still have some hope for TP in these matters (even if he ripped the HCC:ers off of a few "exlusives", which could be seen as good, bad or double bad, depending how you see it, and even if he licened certain songs to Apple). I still have hopes that this indeed will be as cool as it sounds and not just another business way to stop real fans from buying real records. (As if the record industry haven't caused themselves enough harm already). TP's the man and this will be fun, but no way any digital subscription can beat a real record. As a complement though, it's great, a choice of an extra dosis, as it were, rather than the temple of commercial black mail it would perhaps be in less careful hands. Let's hope it will be as cool as it sounds, shall we! B)

     

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    * Apart form the dimensions discussed, there is also the ever present "hype" dimension. All the talking. This radio station has the potential to be, and is kinda presented as, the coolest thing ever, as far as I'm concerned. The type of thing I always dreamed TP would do.. Let's just hope it delivers on the unheard stuff, the inteviews, live stuff and so on. Then we have an interesting, somewhat related note.. regarding  what TP fans usually agree on -  that a bordeline pathological "control" and "perfectionism" are supposed key concepts as to why TP don't mix up his live sets more, improvises or release more of his vaulted stuff at least in a limited way, "bootleg series style", why All The Rest has turned into a procrastination joke, what happened to this or that promised live album.. and all that. If this radio station is to be anything remotely like it's said to be, all that seems to be up for debate now. TP is actually gonna do this? He's gonna monitor it and treat us to this ultra cool radio channel? Perhaps he changed his mind, then? Want's to play a little loose, trust his instincts and skills. Perhaps the BT experience has showed him the posibilties with the radio format? (As if, right?) Or perhaps he always wanted to share more previously vaulted stuff with his fans, just not on record for some reason? Don't know, just an interesting aspect I suppose. All I know is, just like sometimes before, when talking up a tour by mentioning how deep they are gonna dig and how wide and far they are gonna play, this radio station programming seems to be promising quite some new approach to what we are used to. And I really hope this one holds true. And if it will, I hope the approach to the live set lists are next in line, before we are all too old to change.. Pax.

     

     

     

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    Wow!! How cool is that! Thanks for sharing this!

    Dare I be excited? Yes I take my chances ( even if it may turn out this is how they are gonna sneak out All The Rest..) :D 

    What I like to know.. who wants to be my secretary, scanning this station for the odd and new pieces.. sorting the gems. Somehow I think it will be hard to keep track of an all day radio station program..

    But seriously, fantastic news!!

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    So............. anyone heard anything yet? Rumors? August sessions amounted to anything..? Please...? Anyone feel anything cooking in the bayou, anyone seen the waving of the gris-gris..?

    Of course, it certainly seems - since 2014's comparatively HUGE hoopla, what with album success, massive media coverage, half made promises and hints - the record label has made a sudden unexpected u-turn in terms of their trust and hopes for TP, but still.. Mudcrutch is a different animal to begin with, right..

    I for one, once I heard the sessions were scheduled for August, suspected as much as a 2016 release at best, despite the best intentions, typically informal, quick, back to roots, over-dubs free recording procedures and what have you.. By no means this album - if it is to be - is to be regarded as delayed yet, but now we are soon at the end of 2015 (and the tile of this thread should perhaps have been including 2016 or 2017 who knows) and perhaps at least some word has snuck out, some whispers in the golden hallways of WB/Reprise about their plans for the spring....? Anything? Anyone? Did the sessions go alright? 

    This is after all the most longed for album in my book for 2016.* 

    Oh, well.. for now.. here's a recipe for Catfish Pie..

     

     

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    *Yes, I've stopped holding my breath for All The Rest by now - I need air every other year to live - but I would love to spend my money on that one as well, should it be out by spring.. So much for not wanting to flood the market with two releases in one year if so - old silly 2014 saying, d'uh. Not to mention it would be the coolest way to celebrate the TP&TH big 40. I have to give them that. Just that I don't believe that is what is gonna happen. 

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    Hm.. Believe I changed my mind on this one. I would go with the recording I make when TPATH play an informal three hour gigs of their own favorites in my house. Hahaha.. It's settled. So obvoius once I thought about it... I even plan on strumming along some myself, so I can cash in when the label decides TP is worthy of releasing and that this Live at Shelter's is the golden egg they need to lay. :D

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    ^ Great insight. I think there's a lot to be said for all that. It doesn't make the state of affair any less abysmal, though. 

    That kind of thinking also allows for detecting another watershed, between those "aging rock stars" that have the integrity and character to do stuff their own way - within or out of - the control of an aging stuck giant record label - and those who simply lost it don't. That is, at a certain level you can act according to the my way or the highway rule. I mean.. no one, I think, tells Neil Young what to do - he manage to act creatively and very modern, despite the limited appeal (commercially speaking) of his most crazy concepts - or no one stops Jerry Lee Lewis to go see Jack White at Third Man records (or if it was the other way around) to get yellow vinyl issues out, when none of the giants thinks him worthy of even a download. Go figure. That is I buy that the big labels that handle most of these aging guys are retards, but I don't buy that the guys in questions are their slave. It's 2015. A new world.

    If anything, I think the fact that TP got to do Mudcrutch, shows quite some artistic freedom and integrity, both from him and the label, but that apparently either was fluke, or the last straw of the kind. Which leaves me wondering, once again, why all this talk if none of it was actually a done deal? And am I to worry for the supposedly upcoming Mudcrutch as well.. I guess I am. But a rotten deal is not mandatory, I am pretty sure TP knows this, and is known not to sh*it around on any level so... I'm none the wiser even if what you say seems a clear cut analysis of the market.

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    Why do I post in this thread, one might ask oneself. Being a patented fan of his looks but a patented sceptic of the patented Lynne ways with music, I was (looking for a word close to but not quite the same as floored) very happy when I realized that this new ELO effort is really really good!! Don't know bout members anymore (didn't Jeff tour with Take That - the musicians not the dancing dolls?) and I sure as hell can't tell this from a Jeff solo album.. All I know.. it is amazingly good this album. Has to be one of the best albums with new music out this year. Kudos!

    Bonus tracks are also on Spotify.

     

  18. Posted · Edited by Shelter · Report reply

    They just have to be f $#king with us, right? This is now officially beyond repair as far as a normal professional release goes. I am disappointed, I sh*t you not, but if they can't handle this little release by rock legend TP, despite all the big words, then we surely never again will get anything remotely archival. From the outside it would seem they were happay with the likes of RDAD film and Live Anthology, but apparently they have @@#%= for brains, or something else is the matter. Either way it is now too late not to be associated with major incomptence no matter what happens. I never lose my appetite for rare recordings, but the parade is long since peed on, the party dead. I just can't believed one of my all time favorites pulled a 'Chinese Democracy' on me like this. How pathetic.

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    and as a bonus.. digging really deep.. I felt like sharing this one. more interesting than good, (especially due to the sound quality) this is a decent outtake from the SN's 1985 "Rock a Little" album. TP is adding some flavor if you listen closely. hope this works.

    Rock a Little Outtakes - Battle Of The Dragon (Take 5) - feat Tom Petty.mp3

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    No.. man.. I was just paraphrasing the patented Homer Simpson damn-it shout of disappointment - as a joke - over the fact that Ryan has first shot on this dream guitar of mine. I am certainly not laughing in any other way. I am - like I said - full of awe at what some of you guys have in your collection. Nothing but respect and envy here, so give me a break. And let me have 2nd.. or 11th shot.. ok? :)

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    I don't know... as much as I appreciate the exclusion of What Are You Doing In My Life... I'm not really convinced by the alternate running order.

    Well, I appreciate the thoughts put into refuting it never the less :) . For the sake of explaining myself, let me just briefly address some of your objections.

    Surrender is too optimistic, too romantic to open an album like Damn The Torpedoes (especially when it's followed by Here Comes My Girl), which is so much about controversy and standing your ground.

    Yeah, well.. I see your point, if conditional to a certain way of listening. Both to Surrender and to the album. That is it depends on how straight up you want to hear the album, as opposed to hearing various angles and chronology coming and going in the material. To me it still fits quite well. But you are right in this, and it kinda takes the edge of your argument, doesn't it...

    What you are suggesting, of course, is another album with a totally different feel that would also require another title.

    It would be another album. Not necessarily with another title, but that again would depend on how you listen to the material I guess. An alternative title would be fun to ponder - the thought never occured to me, cause unlike imagining what the session could've resulted in in terms of sequencing, outtakes, even arrangements or production issues, still is playing around with what we have, what's there. An alternative title would be leaving that realm. It would be entering the hyper hypothetical. Not to say pointless. (Sure, it could be called "Six Hours to Louisiana, Black Coffe Going Cold", it could be called "Cold Nights A Go-Go", or "Century City Love Life"  for all I care, I don't know. Point is I don't think it need another title and if it did it would be beyond me to name it.)

    You never really know what else would suddenly not work in the alternate version.

    True. Unless you create that alternative version and let it play out. Feel it's pros and cons.Sometimes it's not immediately clear what is missing and what would solve the riddle, but often times you can achieve results that are at least a good deal less puzzling than the original "real" deal.

    Again, I'm not saying DTT is in dire need of alternation (I think it's a classic that works really well and I think albums like DJ or Echo or Mojo, or even Southern Accents or perhaps Wildflowers benefits much more from such alternative treatments.) Still, it's fun to me to consider what would've happen had it ran slighlty different - and I think that what the sessions produced in terms of material and the fact that the album itself is at least one filler short of total perfection as I see it, opens this type of secret portal to an imaginary alternative. 

    And while you are right in a way.. you cannot put in "spare parts", doing differnt things and then expect the same original product to be the outcome.. - it's another album, we established that - you actually can put in alternative original parts, filling totally different, similar or even same:ish functions and expect an altered original (more or less true to what it once was but hopefully somehow better and more fair to the total of recorded material).

    All that said, I usually do this to a lot lesser albums than DTT, albums where I see almost no point in revisiting the original after having created what I find to be the superior version. DTT will always be revisited and enjoyed. Despite What Are You Doing In My Life. :)

     

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    Thanks for sharing cool info, and a fun video. Reminds me of the old MC guitar video series that HCC:ers used to get treated to over at the officials some years back. Gold was that.

    As for the spending money on guitars.. Let it be known the rub and grind marks in this case, are a kinda fun feature, in a nerdy kind of way. That said, I don't like factory mint equipment. Simple as that, really. Now, I am not the pro or semi-pro with a lot fancy rigs, playing skills or knowledge when it comes to guitars. that I know some of you guys are (and I am in awe of some of what you've been showing off around here, let that be known too! :) ). But I do love guitars and stringed instruments in general and the occasional other piece of stuff too, I love playing them as good as I can and love what they feel like and the atmosphere they are holding and transmitting.. and that is why I only buy used, older instruments. I just like them to come with a history and a soul of their own, a built in personality... the real rub and grind if you will.. and that's my free ride to an extra dimension in my own playing, I like to think. Or it just makes the room feel warmer to me. It's just a nicer bunch of bodies to hang around than any top notch new guitars shop can ever offer me.

    So, sometimes instruments clutter up this place, sometimes some of them moves on to other players.. get left behind or lended to someone for uncertain periods of time, the few really special ones gets to stay of course. I treat them nicely and with care, but I rarely clean them beyond the dimension of work wear.. It's all part of how I like it and this is why my favorite pieces ranks from ancient (not quite) bandoneons that I can't even play to a 1920's german mandolin banjo over one or two beat up acoustic guitars to my near mint Rick 360 Fireglow that is not ultra old but old enough I guess.. All that said in favor of old stuff - though the really old stuff is way beyond my reach financially, being it once used by pro league rock stars or simply just antiques of high value - the look, feel and sound is what matters and all that can be have bountiful for less money than people care to think. With a bit of luck and some passion I don't think I ever paid more than $800 for anything.. and rarely over $200 even..  That is my five cents. Quite literally.

     

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