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Given the sets' general variation rate, that is a question I often ask myself. 4 HE songs in a 65 minute film would be a great point though. Point taken. (Should Angel Dream, Rebels and Woman in Love make it too, I'd even call it.. pointy..)

perhaps something a little different, yet related. some wizardry of simple beauty on this one, signed no other than Benmont Tench III.

Yeah, right? Average about 9 months to deliver a sound baby, right? As of right now we are about one week over due, calculated from said announcement. So, here's hoping that "near future" is getting really near by now... and that delivery procedures, smooth and painless, will be duly set in motion with professional help, had the little bugger not come out by it's own effort in.. let's say a week.. ..is all I'm gonna say about it right now.

^ Seems like you hacked the matrix. They would/should try to squeeze in at least one or two (oh, happy day!) of the HE songs, but as cool as it is that they do this, a fairly current pro shot live document, I believe you are spot on in thinking it will be yet another set featuring the usual suspects of standards, just a minimun of value for the ever so slightly experienced fan. But then again.. the way they do their shows (save for the odd recidency) it really is impossible not to have major overlap on these things. It would, seriously, take a heavily edited film, covering a whole tour, to come up with even one hour of truly exciting and fresh material. But as always - I hope to be proven wrong and that along with All The Rest, Dos Mudcrutch, the new SiriusXM Station songs, the Zanes book and all, this film prove to be a sign of extremely prolific times for TP and his staff - not only in hype and sheer quantity, but in actual exciting news and tangible quality. Somehow I wish to see this Fenway thing for myself one day, to judge for myself.

^ Well, I thought about it, and tempting as it is to rock the rich, I think nah.. This will just be a crazily affordable fold-it-yourself double LP set, with a nice feel to hold it and to listen to it, distributed globally to all record stores that are still in business. Not to be sold by Apple Inc under any circumstances. Hey, it's my dream so bugger off with the swag, will ya!

^ Can't strum the B-bellows, man. And strumming is all I was planning on doing in this particular dream. No need to save a recording for you either, since it will be widely available as a audiophile double vinyl. Just relax.

Thank you friends, for concern, great insight and good will. And for being so sensitive. Warms my heart. We can now safely put this thread behind us, though. I found the old man. He was down at the record store.

^ I was wondering the same thing myself. Perhaps a no-no for international audiences anyway, no?

I need to go looking for daddy.

I was just wondering, has anybody seen my dad? Please have him call home. To those of you who clicked, thinking this thread was about something else, I'm sorry, tried to be very specific...

You have a way with words. I would call the uncool, corporate, bullshit way of doing business. The playing at being modern in the cheap, common and very un-Petty-like fashion. At least I used to think it un-Petty-like. A benefit of a doubt though (another one) would be good though, certainly so. Of course. But that's not exactly how they've been pitching it, or at least not how I've been understanding it. But you're right. We'll see. Soon enough. Or within a few years. The cost of this thing aside, to make the subscription "exclusives" so just in name is gonna feel a bit like a rip off to the subscribers though, no? So it's a tricky strategy either way.. Trying to get people to pay as many times as possible? A well known HCC strategy, by all means. Either way, thanks for your consolation! Something tangible, you say.. If only.

Hey, thanks man! Appreciate your words. 30 day trial for HCC:ers, you say? Yeah, HCC would offer that kind of bonus - no surprise there. Very much their style, since in fact anyone can get a 30 day trial. I already did. Trying to figure the set up out. And while I'm not sure how the real subscription would work for an abroad listener as myself, at least the streaming of the station works fine on the trial. So, now I just have to sit here listening all day and all night, all week, all year.. to perhaps be so lucky to hear a song or two that I'd be more than willing to pay for in their own right, without the rides. As for capturing.. At least on the trial there are no way to even listen on demand (other than the old BT shows, of course). It's just live streaming. And I don't know if I can continue to be a fan of an artist who ask me to do that kind of sacrifice to hear his new stuff. Let alone a well known integrity guru like TP. My preference to own a copy of whatever music I happen to like put aside, I need to sleep and I need to eat. How will I ever catch the odd rare or new song? (Oh, man.. people think Somewhere Under Heaven went unnoticed.. they ain't seen nothing yet apparently... as far as strategy goes.. man..) Well.. certainly! Seems slightly an upper scale type product, doesn't it. Again, I wouldn't mind as much if the deal included play on demand services on everything and possiblities for subscribers to freely download original (TP) songs, live shows. In fact that would've have been both modern and decent. For a straight live streaming station though (plus archival BT shows) I'd say this is designed more for the well to do than for people that cares to keep track of the music. I'm still not sure where this is gonna leave me, to tell you the truth.

I don't believe it, no. Sadly so. In Europe - after more or less breaking TP&TH commercially in the mid 70s and fans being used to see them at least occasionally in the 80s and early 90s, many got it bad having to wait 20 years to see them again in 2012. I can't imagine what Australian fans must feel like, and I don't even want to try. The horror! I know you are quite a few too. That said, I don't think they ever did a World Tour in that sense. They did US tours,of course. Tons and tons. And they did a few tours (and separate dates) in Europe. And a few dates in Canada. I guess the only World Tour they ever did was when backing Bob in 1986/7. That's my take. No matter - I do wish for you that they come down there hitting some venues with their show, though. (Asia, South America and all that.. may be too late for them now..) They need to come back to Europe too at least once before parking their slippers in the beach house studio for all eternity.

So.. I was right? In both my inklings.. that yes this is indeed gonna be a stone groovy thing in terms of listening pleasure - and yes, it is indeed also gonna be a smelly behind gates sort of thing in the sense that material will be exclusive to Sirius customers, streamed only and not released or heard elsewere? Which mean you won't be able to keep follow the doings of TP(&TH, solo, Mudcrutch) unless you are willing - and welcome - to become a Sirius subscriber on some level and have 24-7 hours time on your hands, or what? Wait, I am confused.. not sure I get it all right.. in terms of what my chances are to hear new TP music from now on? How internationally available and unlimited is this station, the streaming, the offers and so on...? How definite is all this is in general? And how does it works.. Does it really mean that you're shunned from the TP heads just because you want to buy your music the old fashioned way (records, files?) . Am I ditched unless I buy the ticket and take the whole package, the oldies, the side rides or whatever? I really have to inform myself on the fine print here, but it seems to me.. that this is actually gonna be really really worrisome for me. I - as a record buying dude - is no longer wanted as a fan? Am I to understand that correctly?? So, this new song (can't believe there is not talk about it all over the place?!? is it cause it so exclusive almost no one heard it?? - come on peoples, tell me about this song!!! I am so f?%king curious!! Start a thread about it already!! Try to describe it in words (if that's what it's come to?!) A new TP song is BBIIGG news to some of us that can't hear it).. And then again.. where can I get it? (Joke!) Can I get it? (Seriously?) Do I have to get and listen to the radio to ever heari it? This how All The Rest and Mudcrutch is gonne be released now.. Did I say I am worried? I am scared shitless to tell you the truth. Well.. this my dear friends, may be the gate where I can or should no longer follow? Is this, finally, the end of a beautiful ride? Tell me it isn't so.

Happy birthday! Sorry I'm late..

Thanks, man! Oh my my.. you said it.

Yes, again, thanks! Great, great, great!! They say Stan was miserable during this tour.. I just always never heard that much though.. I always thought he added to the live context much what the material so desperately needed compared compared with their studio renditions in terms of drums.

Thanks! Wonderful ol' stuff!

Alright, thanks for posting! Despite more or less grave quality issues here and there, it's certainly great that these old tape gems are starting to surface! So much fun, thanks for putting them all up here, man. Keep em coming..!

Nice work! Thanks for sharing the review and interview, Liberty! Clever and passionate! As for biopics, I am torn. They are a quilty pleasure at best. Can't help being drawn in at times, but like Zanes implies, I'm always left with a feeling of being told a well designed lie, of being taken for a "rough ride". Sure it's "based on a true story", but what on earth isn't? Even Peter Pan is based on a true story. It just let go of the handrail. So, come on.. I suppose I prefer the lines a bit blurred, the reality symbolic, artistic, dreamy, rather than fake-straight, fake-real. I often times get as much reality that way. Or more. So, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't even want to see a TP movie done the Ray or Walk The Line way. (Although it would indeed be hilarious beyond the unreal to see Brian May act the part of MC!! Maybe the 1986 edition of Bob Dylan could do Howie then?! and we'd soon have and alternative bizarro world band forming.. ) Yes. Love that idea! In my book that would be the only way to do it. I can picture "Something Big" or "The Trip To Pirate's Cove" to be sections in such film. (I can probably make room in my calender, should any film maker need help to brain storm some "chapter" ideas for such movie. What fun! )

Well. You got me thinking. There is something to that, I suppose. In a way. Golden circles, paid for VIP:ism, co-deals and gated communities.. Really uncool. Help making the world a colder and greedier place. To me personally it's not a quiestion of getting things for free though. I realize and even cherish the thought that other people need to live too. Some of them even need to live large, and I have no problem with that. Some of them might even deserve a better life than others. I don't know and it's not where this is at for me anyway. No, I'm most distraught about what's usually the built in mechanism with such "pay gates" these days, their very point if you like: namely, that in order to buy something that you like to have (or to hear or to see) you are forced to buy a gazillion other things in order to get it. Usually the model also stipulates that in order to get that huge heap of crap, within which lays buried your cherished item, you have to sign deals and subscriptions with people, brands, sponsors or products that are often times more or less irrelevant to you or the item you originally wanted. That's how crap stays in fashion, it clings to other crap and to actual gold, like radioactive leeches, refuse to die, but multiplies until giant clusters of craps can't no longer change hands, get stuck in transaction and has to be rocketed deep into (cyber) space and nuked, so we can start our foul ways all over, slowly adding insult to injury, combining brands into clusters of plastic and swag around what really matters.. Not only are there no such thing as a free lunch - go figure, if you thought so, but there's no such thing as getting what you paid for and nothing but what you paid for either. Usually both the free and the paid option comes with a major screw in terms of selling your soul when all you wanted was a Sam Cooke record so to speak. As far as the current example goes, yes, I would personally much rather be able to buy and enjoy whatever music TP puts out, without having to sign up for Sirius, buying certain equipment, become a Facebook:er, a Twitter:er(..er), a Air Castle Club member, a licenced Chiquita eater, an Apple Inc user, or whatever else I may need to turn myself into in order to hear a certain song. Yes, I much rather didn't have to pay, just to listen to hours and hours and hours of the same music I've already paid several times to have and to listen to whenever I please (on the equipment of my liking), in order to get the odd chance to catch a few minutes of something I really want and don't already have. Still.. man, a Radio Station Totally Dedicated to TP... Can it be anything but a groovy thing? Things, including radio stations, cost money, so.. why not pay for this? At least let's just see what they make of it before we sound the alarm, shall we. Seems like there's gonna be plenty of value on there. And who says they can't stay true to Cool and Honest by making whatever new or archival music that surface on this new station available for purchase elseways too, free of side-deals for those whom prefer thusly? To me that's the breaking point, and while I'm cautious - seeing the issues involved here* - I still have some hope for TP in these matters (even if he ripped the HCC:ers off of a few "exlusives", which could be seen as good, bad or double bad, depending how you see it, and even if he licened certain songs to Apple). I still have hopes that this indeed will be as cool as it sounds and not just another business way to stop real fans from buying real records. (As if the record industry haven't caused themselves enough harm already). TP's the man and this will be fun, but no way any digital subscription can beat a real record. As a complement though, it's great, a choice of an extra dosis, as it were, rather than the temple of commercial black mail it would perhaps be in less careful hands. Let's hope it will be as cool as it sounds, shall we! --- * Apart form the dimensions discussed, there is also the ever present "hype" dimension. All the talking. This radio station has the potential to be, and is kinda presented as, the coolest thing ever, as far as I'm concerned. The type of thing I always dreamed TP would do.. Let's just hope it delivers on the unheard stuff, the inteviews, live stuff and so on. Then we have an interesting, somewhat related note.. regarding what TP fans usually agree on - that a bordeline pathological "control" and "perfectionism" are supposed key concepts as to why TP don't mix up his live sets more, improvises or release more of his vaulted stuff at least in a limited way, "bootleg series style", why All The Rest has turned into a procrastination joke, what happened to this or that promised live album.. and all that. If this radio station is to be anything remotely like it's said to be, all that seems to be up for debate now. TP is actually gonna do this? He's gonna monitor it and treat us to this ultra cool radio channel? Perhaps he changed his mind, then? Want's to play a little loose, trust his instincts and skills. Perhaps the BT experience has showed him the posibilties with the radio format? (As if, right?) Or perhaps he always wanted to share more previously vaulted stuff with his fans, just not on record for some reason? Don't know, just an interesting aspect I suppose. All I know is, just like sometimes before, when talking up a tour by mentioning how deep they are gonna dig and how wide and far they are gonna play, this radio station programming seems to be promising quite some new approach to what we are used to. And I really hope this one holds true. And if it will, I hope the approach to the live set lists are next in line, before we are all too old to change.. Pax.

^sweet! Here's something else.. Those of you in awe of Stevie in general, who haven't heard this old classic, enjoy the whole thing! (The rest of the interview and the related Ladd/Nicks clips the tube has to offer is all good stuff). As for TP, I recommend scrolling up to about the 6 minute+ mark and hear what she - and he - had to say..

Wow!! How cool is that! Thanks for sharing this! Dare I be excited? Yes I take my chances ( even if it may turn out this is how they are gonna sneak out All The Rest..) What I like to know.. who wants to be my secretary, scanning this station for the odd and new pieces.. sorting the gems. Somehow I think it will be hard to keep track of an all day radio station program.. But seriously, fantastic news!!

So............. anyone heard anything yet? Rumors? August sessions amounted to anything..? Please...? Anyone feel anything cooking in the bayou, anyone seen the waving of the gris-gris..? Of course, it certainly seems - since 2014's comparatively HUGE hoopla, what with album success, massive media coverage, half made promises and hints - the record label has made a sudden unexpected u-turn in terms of their trust and hopes for TP, but still.. Mudcrutch is a different animal to begin with, right.. I for one, once I heard the sessions were scheduled for August, suspected as much as a 2016 release at best, despite the best intentions, typically informal, quick, back to roots, over-dubs free recording procedures and what have you.. By no means this album - if it is to be - is to be regarded as delayed yet, but now we are soon at the end of 2015 (and the tile of this thread should perhaps have been including 2016 or 2017 who knows) and perhaps at least some word has snuck out, some whispers in the golden hallways of WB/Reprise about their plans for the spring....? Anything? Anyone? Did the sessions go alright? This is after all the most longed for album in my book for 2016.* Oh, well.. for now.. here's a recipe for Catfish Pie.. --- *Yes, I've stopped holding my breath for All The Rest by now - I need air every other year to live - but I would love to spend my money on that one as well, should it be out by spring.. So much for not wanting to flood the market with two releases in one year if so - old silly 2014 saying, d'uh. Not to mention it would be the coolest way to celebrate the TP&TH big 40. I have to give them that. Just that I don't believe that is what is gonna happen.

classic revisited in 2006: