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Should I go with the Super Ultra Mega Hyper Premium Extra Multi Special Gold Deluxe pack with the bonus flaps, or just settle for the Crappy Set? Oh, what the heck.. You only live twice, right?

You're talking preorder from TP.com here and now? Or you mean this will supposedly not be an internationally available official release?? (From TP.com, my experience is that "much later" is a possibility. As is "if ever".)

Uh, yeah.. that is the saddest way to save money, ever!!

Really digging this Keep A Little Soul song (and video...) Makes me really long to hear the rest of the gold on this box. And - apart from being very interesting to hear, as presented, as a whole, (it will be so great to eventually hear, even if the total effect is impossible to estimate at this point, admittedly) - when it comes to the detailed content of this box, here's what my guesstimation sums up to, in terms of hot or not: The Gold Stuff (Extremely interesting!) 1. Surrender (Previously unreleased track from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers sessions—1976) - Kinda like an old grail, isn't it? 2. Lost In Your Eyes (Previously unreleased single from Mudcrutch sessions—1974) - This is legendary! If it's the same version as has been circulating on bootleg, it will be fantastic to hear the finished, cleaned up thing! Ponder: can a song both be a single and unreleased? 3. Keep A Little Soul (Previously unreleased track from Long After Dark sessions—1982) - Fantastic little song! Interesting things going on with the melody in the versese. I can see how they left it off LAD, all things considered, but it would have been worthy of a second chance on Southern Accents, I think. 4. Walkin’ From The Fire (Previously unreleased track from Southern Accents sessions—March 1, 1984) - Very anxious to finally hear this one! The SA outtakes always both fascinated and eluded me, given the original concept album idea. 5. Gainesville (Previously unreleased track from Echo sessions—February 12, 1998) - Never even heard of this one! 6. Lonesome Dave (Previously unreleased track from Wildflowers sessions—July 23, 1993) - Just hope this won't be the last we hear of the All The Rest project.... another piece of the puzzle, at least.. 7. Bus To Tampa Bay (Previously unreleased track from Hypnotic Eye sessions—August 11, 2011) - Very interesting - haven't even heard of this one! 8. Two Men Talking (Previously unreleased track from Hypnotic Eye sessions—November 16, 2012) - Maybe more of a live song, I suspect. But I always wanted to hear this (and Melinda) in studio versions, so... Quite fitting that they tried to adopt it for HE, too.. I don't think I knew that. Could be great! The Stuff Adding to The Legend (Interesting!) 9. You’re Gonna Get It (Alternate version featuring strings from You’re Gonna Get It! sessions—1978) 10. Fooled Again (I Don’t Like It) (Alternate version from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers—1976) 11. Here Comes My Girl (Alternate version from Damn The Torpedoes sessions—1979) -- unless it's already on DTT Deluxe!! 12. What Are You Doing In My Life (Alternate version from Damn The Torpedoes sessions—1979) -- unless it's already on DTT Deluxe!! 13. Louisiana Rain (Alternate version from Damn The Torpedoes sessions—1979) -- unless it's already on DTT Deluxe!! 14. Keeping Me Alive (Previously unreleased track from Long After Dark sessions—1982) - unless it's already out!! Several versions of this song already are. 15. Don’t Treat Me Like A Stranger (B-side to UK single of “I Won’t Back Down”—April, 1989) - About time this gem sees a proper release outside the old single! Not a bad song at all. 16. Straight Into Darkness (Alternate version from The Record Plant, Hollywood, CA—May 5, 1982) - Fav song - this will be cool, I hope! 17. Rebels (Alternate version from Southern Accents sessions—1985) - Given the production "issues" of SA, this will be very interesting, hopefully. 18. Deliver Me (Alternate version from Long After Dark sessions—1982) - Fav song - this will be cool, I hope! 19. The Damage You’ve Done (Alternate version from Let Me Up (I’ve Had Enough) sessions—1987) - Unless it's not the Playback version, like someone mentioned...... 20. The Best Of Everything (Alternate version from Southern Accents sessions—March 26, 1985) 21. King Of The Hill (Early take (with Roger McGuinn)—November 23, 1987) - Cool and surprising - I didn't see that coming. Then again, I didn't see any of this coming..! 22. Wake Up Time (Previously unreleased track from early Wildflowers sessions—August 12, 1992) - Again... does this undermine All The Rest project? Yes it does. 23. Don’t Fade On Me (Previously unreleased track from Wildflowers—sessions—April 20, 1994) -Again... does this undermine All The Rest project? Yes it does. 24. You And Me (Clubhouse version—November 9, 2007) - This type of stuff - rehearsals/studio re-takes of deep cuts etc - is really cool. Wonder how much of it exists? Great that they thought of picking one like this for this set. Must be special?? 25. I Don’t Belong (Previously unreleased track from Echo sessions—December 3, 1998) - Not the best song ever, but it's been circulated, so finally official! 26. Sins Of My Youth (Early take from Hypnotic Eye sessions—November 12, 2012) 27. Good Enough (Alternate version from Mojo sessions—2012) 28. Like A Diamond (Alternate version from The Last DJ sessions—2002) The Kinda-Fun-Unless-They-Are-Already-Released (on Live Anthology or elsewhere) Stuff 29. Listen To Her Heart (Live at Capitol Studios, Hollywood, CA—November 11, 1977) 30. Anything That’s Rock ‘N’ Roll (Live at Capitol Studios, Hollywood, CA—November 11, 1977) 31. Rockin’ Around (With You) (Album track from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers —November 9, 1976) 32. Breakdown (Live at Capitol Studios, Hollywood, CA—November 11, 1977) 33. Even The Losers (Live at Rochester Community War Memorial, Rochester, NY—1989) 34. King’s Road (Live at The Forum, Inglewood, CA—June 28, 1981) 35. A Woman In Love (It’s Not Me) (Live at The Forum, Inglewood, CA—June 28, 1981) 36. I Won’t Back Down (Live at The Fillmore, San Francisco, CA—February 4, 1997) 37. Into The Great Wide Open (Live at Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena—November 24, 1991) 38. Two Gunslingers (Live at The Beacon Theatre, New York, NY—May 25, 2013) 39. Saving Grace (Live at Malibu Performing Arts Center, Malibu, CA—June 16, 2006) 40. Southern Accents (Live at Stephen C. O’Connell Center, Gainesville, FL—September 21, 2006) 41. Insider Live (with Stevie Nicks at O’Connell Center, Gainesville, FL—September 21, 2006) 42. Hungry No More (Live at House of Blues, Boston, MA—June 15, 2016)

Well, as far as I can tell, the countown is over. Page works normally. And at least in part I was right.. they were counting down a new web site design..

So, there used to be a Far East and a Near East. As far as I know, the Far is still there, but the Near has become the Middle, right? So, what happened to the Near? Anyone seen it around? How near is it, anyway? At least from an american english perspective, has any of it ever been any closer than pretty far? The Pretty Far East. I heard it's cute. And, on a somewhat related note, the Deep South is still around, isn't it? The Deep North? Yep, it's still down there, strangely enough. Oh, and let's not forget the Wild West!

Simple as that!

Let's see... - All The Rest (hello..!?!) - "The Complete Outtakes Box 1975-201?" - with book/also sold separately, containing detailed sessions/discogrphy info. (Yeah, I know... like that would happen...) - "The Complete Demos Box 1971-201?" (Hm.. Righ, I know.. I'm not in Kansas anymore...) - "The Complete Beacon & Fonda Box 2013". Complete tracklist! The best performances of all titles perfomed during the residencies, 2013 with photos and liner notes (and perhaps a special shout out from the LA Fire Marshall...) - Book with complete charts/sheetmusic and arrangements, as mentioned by Nurk. Would be awesome for all musicians out there. At least maybe the first one of those would happen. And the last one. Just perhaps.

Ok, I'm awake.. Now what's this? Where's my tumblers?? Seriously, though... In order not to sound ungrateful, I'll try to offer some more, at least semi-digested thoughts.. And I thought Playback was a con job! It's not just the disappointment of "All The Rest" being pushed off yet again (if indeed, now, with no chance of a themed tour to ever happen, we will ever get to see it at all!). No. Any release of unreleased music from these guys is bound to be fantastic. Of course. Cept maybe when so much love and devotion is put into a project, by so many people, that it all gets everyway as disconfigured, confusing and hotchpotch in character as it possibly can. Not only in content, but in structure. (Although perhaps the liner notes may sort that out some?) Now, I've noticed some here agree with this and some don't. For me: The unrleased studio tracks are tremendously interesting. The alternate versions may be of some interest - they will definately be good for adding to my own archives. The live stuff could be ok, but not really necessary at this point. All the stuff already released? Well.. don't get me started. And all of it together..? Not sure. It seems to me that as a nice celebrative memorial from the ones closest to Tom, this may work as a whole. At the same time, in terms of the fututre, and other imaginable archival releases, this may not bode well. it's a first step, and from a vault perspective, it's quite a messy one. I think it's safe to say that bookends is not gonna be a goal to anybody in this camp, discographical details and session context not an issue. The interested - that is us, or me - is better sharpening our detective abilities further and stuff our wallets, if we are planning to keep up, if we will want to keep playing at hunting stuff down. (Personally I would have prefered a more scholarly approach to Tom's vaults - something similar to what Jeff Rosen did to Dylan's Bootleg Series, if more small scale and humble.) At least this box is a first in one major way. Tom never seem comfortable releasing anything from the vault that did not have at least some of his BIGGEST songs on there, in some form. His was the belief, apparently, that no archival release would work, let alone sell without them, just as no live show would never work without all of them. This is, as I see it, a clinically problematic misunderstanding that this upcoming release seem to face and deal with in the most insteresting way. Unlike Playback, all the album cuts here - the stuff that seem as in the way for the old fans as the unreleased stuff may seem in the way for newbies wanting to check out the cataloge - are more or less deep cuts. In fact, next to nothing in terms of the beaten BIG ONCE are found on this box! Very surprisingly, knowing the history. But also very refreshing and somewhat a guarantee in itself, that this will indeed be a stunning listen. Not only is this concept new to the world of Tom Petty, many of my own favorite songs are included here too. So, even if I find the ratio of released songs being way too high, at least it's not the same old songs this time. It reads like an awesome listen, even if my mind has a built in sensivity for mixing live and studio stuff... so we'll see how that will hold up. I tend to think Marion is on to something when she says that this may be worth listening to the way it was intended to be listened to, since it really seems to be colelcted and arranged as a work of love. The released songs, the choices of live songs and unreleased tracks probably all have been done for a reason. I have very much trust in Ben and Mike as far as that goes. This sure seem to be a box of love from the near and dear ones. As such it will be great, I'm sure. Which leads me into thinking it's time to wrap this up. We will see how it lands. For me as a fan of music, records and with a deep interest in this band history (and in structure and sessions, logs and calendars and all that crap). this seem more a personal clip book with gold nuggest sprinkled throughout, than the more structurally neat and detailed substatntial release of pure gold, that I'm always hoping for. Something where the chronology or theme is kept to a reasonable level, where the studio and demo material is released separately from the live material and where repacking of old material is kept to a minimum, for the sake of decency, if nothing else. Again, presented like this - like a The Family Playlist of sorts - it may work alright. We will have to see. But generally speaking this is way to scattered, unfocused and sample menu styled for my taste. I would obviously, really only need one disc of music out of these four. Perhaps two. (I wonder if I dare hope the 2CD edition will be all the unreleased stuff? Haha!! Right.) And..... guys.... I can't believe NO ONE EVEN NOTICED when I put that Keep A Little Soul video up (in the Random Click Thread) already on June 15! 😲 (Think only Jay saw it. Good for you Jay, thank you for paying attention, man!)

Right.. chords not in the same order though, right? Don't remember the others exactly, but I always used to play them all from old official TP sheet music books, and I seem to recall they are all a bit different after all, despite the similarity of the repetitive structure itself of course. ATWR hums something simple like Am/F/G/C to me... ever since buying a guitar with one hand and the ITGWO book with the other, back in 91. Sounds about right?

^ Strangely enough, exactly that happens here too!! It's kinda vague, but it's almost always there. Goes away for periods, then "trouble blew in..." all over again. Also it's one of the four or five songs that my subconscious mind always chooses to start the strumming with, when meeting a new guitar.. or just picking up an old one.. mighty strange power in that song.

^ Is it just me, or did they even close it down? Just a front page now, isn't it? Counting down... To a new webpage? An all new set of tumblers? Something actually exciting... (I dare not even say the three words.. or how many there will be now..)? Exciting, admittedly! 😎

From that BAM interview there, it really seems that what Tom really hates about videos is the business process of it, rather than the film/art aspect that lays within its potential. That, as well as mood and so on, makes a big different in reading that quote, I'd say. After all action speaks too. Since the whole concept of videos of course does have a business bias to begin with - that's where it all came from - I think it's even more admireble that Tom managed to steer a lot of his contributions to this genre towards the more cinematic, artistic side of it. Personally I find even his lesser efforts at that to be enjoyable, but obviously the more ambitious and/or different efforts win the prize. All things considered - not only with Tom, but with the whole business he was part of (like it or not) - there is no wonder, and quite fitting with the date of the interview and all, that he wouldn't really do too many proper videos after that point... You can really hear him dismiss any thought of it (save for Adria's, regarding Don't Pull Me Over, that is... and that didn't require too much engagements either.. haha.. paper dolls will go a long way..) when meeting the suits by the time Mojo was about to be released... "If we must have one, gentlemen... Then let's just shoot us playing the song plain and simple at rehearsal, no tricks!" That is so true though! Part of what I mentioned above.

^ Now.. that is very hard to say. I know, I have been heard saying, time and time again, how much I love the heavy grit and groove they reached in their last years (uh, still hate typing those words!), that extra punch in the drum-bass backdrop and the crunch of the guitars. As was heard, the way I precieve it, gradually increasing from early 2000s on, to hit some kinda climax level around the 2012, 2013, 2014 tours.. and that I think may be due to a combination of 1 ) them developing their game all the way, 2 ) perhaps also changing their preferences some, in favor for the slightly grittier, and 3 ) the techniques to capture their live sound getting better.* But, for one thing: while I love what Steve has brought to the table in terms of never being late.... or early.... and how sweet that sits with some of Tom's songs.... I do perhaps find his approach a bit, shall we say soulless at times.. he does seem as much part of the solid stage backdrop and rigs, as the sweaty groovy member of the band I know he is. And then. There is the infamous (around here, at least) aspect of how the setlist, in my very own and twisted view, didn't generally quite live up to it's full potential with this last line up. To say the least. And after all, such a thing also tints the opionion of favorite line-up, no matter how sharply they dress stuff, no matter how telepathically awesome they starts to play. And.. there is something to be said for that certain elegance, the youthful swagger and energy, at times feverish temper reached with their second and third versions of the line-up. The raw energy still lingering from the early years, that little space between instruments that suggest life and danger in the picture - not too comfortable yet, as it were - but already glorious and slick enough by that magic sweet harmony touch and the cool, sometimes wickedly laid back bass style of Howie's (that just reminds me of one other bass player, and that is Tom himself) - the whole enterprise also moving into those first stages of a more "produced" era, when they started to reproduce wider/fuller arrangements with Scott doubling on whatever needed (first behind curtain and then in plain sight. ). Because of my deep admiration for Howie's absurdly underrated work and for how much I prefer Stan's more dynamic/organic way to play, I think I'm gonna go with this second/third line-up as my live favorite. Too bad, we never got to hear that one in a heavier, more mature, 2000s sound quality recording, ripping out some of those old songs that they never really had time for in the post Wildflowers days. Not that I can hear a single flaw, listening to professionally released Kiss My Amps Vol 2, for example, but still... I can't help at times but wonder how that Steppin Stone; When A Kid Goes Bad or that Willin' may have sounded with Stan and Howie onboard. And... as you may have figured. I was wrong to say that I saw every line-up. That was just wishful thinking and stupid swank. I have seen all members of the band in action, is what I meant to say. I obviously missed the first line-up - thus I never saw Ron play with Stan, which must have been very cool! And neither, I think, did I see them play without Scott. Sometimes I wonder how they managed to do so... Did that answer your question at all? ---- *It may be worth adding a 4 ) called Ron, here, but I'm not sure if there is one, or if it's just the other 3 playing tricks on me. Anyway, it does seem to me as if Ron, after a few years of being back with the band, really upped himself to the upmost notch of style and gravity. Sometimes in the latter tours I think he sounds perfectly mean (in a good way!) driving and groovy - a philosopher player that does it just right and just organic enough to create a weirdly powerful pulse at times, contributing beautifully to that heavier-than-ever sound of theirs that I love so much (and that I dreamed to one day get to hear so many of their overlooked songs performed with). He really "tucks it under", as he puts it. (And perhaps Steve's sitting-rock approach was just what Ron needed to totally perfect his craft? - Not that the Ron and Stan team didn't shine brightly enough, but I suppose it was more of a equal display there, with Stan "swining it" more often than not. While with Steve's more plain backdrop, Ron may have been allowed, even forced, to take more of the groove and swing upon himself?) Anyway, considering how I hear the live sound of the 2000s - I was quite suprised to learn that Tom plays some of the coolest bass parts on Hypnotic Eye himself. For practical reasons, I'm sure. But too bad, really. Upon first listen to Forgotten Man or U Get Me High, I was so thrilled for how Ron shined..! Oh, well.. I derail. Love the Ron!)

After me - and some others, surely - derailed this other perfectly straight thread with talks about the music video aspect of TPATH, I thought I'd better take this stray comment back to one of the more fitting threads for it. Thing is, I recently revisited all of the promo videos they ever did, and I must say I more or less love all of them. This is as great a video cataloge as any artist is likely to ever have, imo. No matter if we talk the straight up "performing" videos, the arty music video cuts or the little films that some of them are, it's all dynamite. Generally, what I miss the most, is some of the story stuff gold they never made any videos for! The missed oportunities, as it were. Just imagine, if you can, if Mike Lipscombe, Phil Joanou, Adria Petty or Julien Temple (or someone else with a touch) was to shoot a "film" for Something Big! Even without a video, that one is one of the most vivid "videos" in my mind.. and there is a certain type of Tom's songs that creates that "stream" of pictures inside every time... Blue Sunday, comes to mind too.. (As I said many times over the years, all of LDJ would have been a wonderful lo-fi movie, in my opinion.. in the style of Neil Young's Greendale - and a not too dissimilar message either.. If only perfection wasn't standing guard ) Of the song that do have videos, as much as I love what they made of it, there is so much "filmic" qualities to Letting You Go, that I really wish they would have gone for more of a short film on that one. There is really is some "raining on your summer home" going on when I listen to that song.. Oh well.. no doubt, "dreams are just dreams" hu? Like I said... Great art! Great long list of wonderful videos!

I don't do this very often.. but I just stumbled upon this one.. quite atmospheric

I just realized how extremely blessed I am, to have lived to catch all the different TPATH line-ups perform live. (Including the honorary Heartbreaker, too.)

I don't even have to think about it, actually. It's in my bones.

Not much in ways of help, I suppose. But welcome to the Farm! Any specific questions, regarding this or that credit detail, may be worth throwing at people here, quite a well informed bunch in various Tom Petty related fields. Someone may know something, even if no one seemingly knows it all, so to speak.

As far as I know - and I've spent at least 25 years looking - there is no one resource, place or person, that has collected complete discography session info for Tom. With some artists you'll find such info - session, dates, song titles, personel, credits... and occasionally like with Bob, some people even even trace mastertape numbers or tracks breakdown, over dubs and so on - neatly logged, chronicled and put in blogs, homepages or even books, but sadly I've never found nothing even close to comprehensive for Tom's sessions. I always love to find more info on detailed credits and tracklists, dates etc from sessions myself, whatever I can find it, but it's not the easiest feat to collect these things, as it turns out. So far it's a bit of a jigsaw puzzle with a lot of pieces missing.

^ Yeah, gotta love the videos! 🎥 🎬 🎼🎶 And my playlist addition for today: "I'm Walking"

Go Ringo! Rin go!!

Well.. in the case of music videos, I'd say the original music is part of the art. (Although experimental new art can be created from one or the other, or fascinating combinations.) Just saying that music in this context is slightly different art form than music records. May be the same song, but I see no sense in comparing or saying one is better. Just apples and.. popcorn.