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  1. Shelter

    What Music Are You Listening To Right Now?

    Listening to the sounds of silence. Not the album, mind you, but the actual sounds of silence. Very soothing.
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    New TPATH Releases

    At least it's fairly obvious she inherited a certain inclination for total control. (The difference between her and her dad, though, is that his strive for exclusive control was limited to his own work, his own name. Rightfully so.) As for the big statements and big letters, who am I to say what is balanced and reasonable and what is phrases and emotions. I've already spoke my piece about the difference between dealing with Tom's legacy as a loving dad or husband and managing his legacy as a professional legendary and iconic artist, and the importance of keeping the balance in the most worthy yet professional way. No matter how we read "professional", there, I'm sure they are all truly keen on the "worthy" aspect. (Another irony then, that it all has come to this deeply unworthy display...) I'm sure they have the best for Tom's legacy in mind, all of them, if at different levels and what seem (at least to me) like different dimensions. But let's just leave this here.. no point arguing. To me words and action over-ride excellence-by-association, "They were all close to Tom, they must all be great in every way." But I give.. I suppose I have lesser and more vague proof of the general character of Dana's efforts here (the way I understand her as guided by humility and respect for ALL key players - including the actual players and people who actually know these things - as well as a comparatively distinct music oriented outlook on how to publicly honouring the legacy of Tom the artist - regardless of how she may deal with her loss of Tom the man in private) than I suppose you must have of the Petty daughters being such "pretty awesome people". I know their dad was awesome. I know the Heartbreakers were, and still are. The rest of it was just faint hopes for more awesomeness to come..
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    New TPATH Releases

    Yeah.... Nah, sorry, but I think you cut them way too much slack. We all know they suffer and we all feel bad for them. It's horrible. Ok. So, of course you are right in all you say, and also very diplomatic. Good for you. Personally, I really think there are a few nuances more to it all than you are willing to admit, not all of which is that hidden or vague either. In short, things may be both more complicated and more simple. This is not primarily about passing judgement, quite right. Moreover, there are no winners. My previous post being sarcastic by design - and the obvious existence of additional and so far unknown information - all aside, from whatever little we actually DO know, I really think this is fairly obviously a matter of some people being more naturally talented at separating the personal and the professional. Simple as that. I mean, it's not simple, everyone deals with personal grief and loss in very different ways, true. That is all endlessly complex. But not everyone let their inner turmoil cloud their professional judgement years after a tragedy, not everyone lets pride and passion override their need for humble considerations, for help and respectful treatment of key players/partners/employees or whatever it may be. Sure, many sides to a story and all that. Just saying. They all feel this loss on both many and surely very different levels, no one's hurt is more real than anyone's else. But as far as the management of the estate goes, it seem the professional considerations and decorum have to be dealt with by someone measured to the task. You judge for yourself what all key persons involved, that you mention, have said and done, and there should materialize a pattern where I think this separation of private and professional will be visible as dividing line. As for them having different ideas, that is all fine. I wish it was as simple as that, and maybe to a degree it might be. Still here too some ideas, at least to me, seem more like semi private monuments, involving their personal name and perspective (He wrote this for me!), while others may be more focused on Tom's music and song writing, performing, recirding processes side of the legacy. Again.. the divide in perspective.. But even if it's just me seeing it this way, why then, at least don't they start with the stuff Tom himself was working on/focused on.. why not prioritize the few things they know about his wishes, before they start to fight over wether there should first be an Adria & Kim commentary tracked editions of all the old albums, or if it's Adria's semi hinted idea of checking out the Southern Accents vaults, the Complete Filmore, unreleased Hypnotic Eye or whatever will be up for the challenge.. First things first, starting with what we know, would be the sane and reasonable way, to me, but they choose to stall even before they got that out of the way. Not very promising. And again, some professional, neutral management.. like someone suggested early on, my be a swell idea...? All I know is, like I said. I'm about had it. By their conduct, they kill whatever little fun and hope there was, being a Tom Petty fan in a world without Tom. It's all very shameful and I'm not sure when we'll all get over this bummer, as you call it. A word somehow slightly lightweight, all things considered. PS. On a more specific level, it's just too ironic that Adria accuses Dana of essentially "losing" money on behalf of the estate, knowing what we know of Adria's own agenda, ideas and behaviour thus far. In fact, many of the legal arguments themselves seem mildly counter logic at best. (Dana is greedy and thinks the trust is all about money. Dana doesn't earn the trust enough money.)
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    New TPATH Releases

    Yeah.... Nah, sorry, but I think you cut them way too much slack. 😁 Alright. We all know they suffer and we all feel bad for them. It's horrible. Ok. So, of course you are right in all you say, and also very diplomatic. Good for you. Personally, I really think there are a few nuances more to it all than you are willing to admit, not all of them being that hidden or vague either. In short, things may be both more complicated and more simple. This is not primarily about passing judgement, quite right. Moreover, there are no winners. My previous post being sarcastic by design - and the obvious existence of additional and so far unknown information - all aside, from whatever little we actually DO know, I really think this is fairly obviously a matter of some people being more naturally talented at separating the personal and the professional. Simple as that. I mean, it's not simple, everyone deals with personal grief and loss in very different ways, true. That is all endlessly complex. But not everyone let their inner turmoil cloud their professional judgement years after a tragedy, not everyone lets pride and passion override their need for humble considerations, for help and respectful treatment of key players/partners/employees or whatever it may be. Sure, many sides to a story and all that. Just saying. They all feel this loss on both many and surely very different levels, no one's hurt is more real than anyone's else. But as far as the management of the estate goes, it seem the professional considerations and decorum have to be dealt with by someone measured to the task. You judge for yourself what all key persons involved, that you mention, have said and done, and there should materialize a pattern where I think this separation of private and professional will be visible as dividing line. As for them having different ideas, that is all fine. I wish it was as simple as that, and maybe to a degree it might be. Still here too some ideas, at least to me, seem more like semi private monuments, involving their personal name and perspective (He wrote this for me!), while others may be more focused on Tom's music and song writing, performing, recirding processes side of the legacy. Again.. the divide in perspective.. But even if it's just me seeing it this way, why then, at least don't they start with the stuff Tom himself was working on/focused on.. why not prioritize the few things they know about his wishes, before they start to fight over wether there should first be an Adria & Kim commentary tracked editions of all the old albums or if it's Adria's semi hinted idea of checking out the Southern Accents vaults, the Complete Filmore, unreleased Hypnotic Eye or whatever will be up for the challenge..whatever they think dignified enough to put TP on it. BUT, again, first things first, starting with what we know, would be the sane and reasonable way, to me. But they choose to stall even that before they got that obvious one out of the way, because they have so many ideas, of equal merit (as you imply and I think not) Not very promising, all in all.. And again, some professional, neutral management.. like someone suggested early on, my be a swell idea...? Is that so hard to swallow? All I know is, like I said. I'm about had it. By their conduct, they kill whatever little fun and hope there was, being a Tom Petty fan in a world without Tom. It's all very shameful and I'm not sure when we'll all get over this bummer, as you call it. A word somehow slightly lightweight, all things considered. PS. On a more specific level, it's just too ironic that Adria accuses Dana of essentially "losing" money on behalf of the estate, knowing what we know of Adria's own agenda, ideas and behaviour thus far. In fact, many of the legal arguments themselves seem mildly counter logic at best. (Dana is greedy and thinks the trust is all about money. Dana doesn't earn the trust enough money.)
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    New TPATH Releases

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but.. since haven't seen anyone else stepping forward.. here's a piece widely circulated yesterday. Backfire, is the name of the game. But perhaps most accurately described, it's "destructive nonsense", all of it, through and through. https://www.forbes.com/sites/russespinoza/2019/05/16/tom-pettys-daughters-sue-artists-widow-for-control-of-estate-and-damages/#3db5f0ba2447 I suppose this means it will be a long while before we see anything bright or constructive from the TP camp(s). Shame. I don't know bout you guys, but to me this whole ordeal have made me lost a lot of my interest in whatever they decide to do from here on out.. They have already kinda ruined all the fun, all the hope for something good coming (alright) despite our loss of Tom. If I knew it to be a fact that Dana was behind all the producing and pushing the endless stream of ugly swag crap on the official web, if I knew Dana to be the one not listening to, respecting and involving the Heartbreakers (and Ryan?) and other key persons in the music and strategic matters, if I knew Dana to be the one who wanted shut everyone out and run the show her self, yeah.. if I knew it was her idea to have AAT to be previously released deep tracks only, noticeable reluctant to honour Tom through highlighting the creative dimensions and processes of Tom's, by procrastinated everything connected with releasing archival material or following through even on Tom's own list of begun projects and priorites, being irrational in relations to insiders and outsiders.. making sure to highlight her own name and projects as a subtext to Tom's rather than allowing The Heartbreakers and their joint professional venture/brand with Tom over 4 decades call first prio… Well... if I knew that Dana refused to appoint someone professional (skilled and loyal, presumably) who really knows his/her way about running estates like this in a both financially and artistically sound way, but rather kept fans and band alike out to deal with the mourning and office regiment all on her own... well, if I knew all that to be true about her being selfish and greedy, I would have no problem understand Adria's and Anna-Kim's frustration at this point, (or all along). But. Really. However hard I try, it's hard to put most of those things on Dana, isn't it. Sorry if I sound sarcastic, but I just can't help but thinking someone else is the problem. (About those ever returning - all seasons is crummy gifts season - specials in the official TP store, may those are Dana's brain children... and if so, I'm prepared to call her evil.. but in the light of all the rest... eh.. wow.. how did I manage t-h-a-t reference with such grace? I really think - no matter how much or little greed is buried in what places and no matter how much everyone is entitled to their own personal greif, even in the shadow of public professional icons dying - I really think Dana, Mike and Ben so far seem to be the ones thinking the most of the long term legacy and the music of Tom, the artist, as it were. When it comes to Tom the father, that is another matter. Endlessly sad the way things have happened of course, but really.. not a dimension to mix up with the professional dealings of a creative and artistic legacy and brand finances. Maybe some people have some waking up to do in this regard, and maybe some starting to ask themselves, who is really stopping who from earning money and why? Biting ones own tail? Or just being plain silly? All in the name of grief and loss. All in all, I suppose this is it. There will be no more endlessly fascinating and deeply heartfelt rear view glances of the genius that was Tom Petty. At least not in the shape of previously unheard music or any other substantial projects made in good celebratory spirit and with a warm friendly vibe (turns out the first and only one out wasn't as friendly as they wanted us to think). At least not for a foreseeable time anyway (in this generation?). And at least not without an Adria Petty Corp. video to go with it. Peace and Love to all. /S
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    Tom Petty was on a Del Fuegos song???

    Oh I think I hear him well enough. Harmony vocals yes. He's credited with this and some guitars.
  7. I think you're right. Between all the tacky brand merch stunts, archival photage video fests and what was revealed from the lawsuit documents, it seems a lot of the impulses, no matter how genuine and heartfelt in origin, proove to be badly misguided, ego oriented and backwards prioritized. If by accident so. Thank goodness someone stood up and helped shaping AAT into becoming about the music and the legacy of the man that created it, because other than that, so far it's a grim prospect we're looking at, waist deep in swag, repackaging and cheap tricks. But let's be hopeful, that once they all had their ya-ya' s out in terms of personal visions, projects and agendas, made a bit more name for themselves and used the stuff a few more times, maybe there will again be focus on what matters.. the music genius and music processes of Tom's. (Also, playing the devil's advocate here.. let's not forget there where hoodies, bags and keychains over the years, other stunts too.. back when the captain was still behind the wheels himself - sure, some kinda marketing must be ok, even at this point, so.......) But sure, I agree.. I wish they put a lot less prio on the swag bazaar from here on out.. Would be a tasteful move, all things considered.. To me it just doesn't rhyme to question the Heartbreakers' involvement (and their judgement?) or agenda, or too stall releases of quality dignified archival stuff and at the same time sign OK to all the crap with logos slapped on. And they worry about honouring Tom....!?!
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    Tom Petty was on a Del Fuegos song???

    "I Can't Take This Place"
  9. Shelter

    Three days....

    New For Real dayglo hats? Finally!
  10. Shelter

    What Music Are You Listening To Right Now?

    Yes!! Isn't Sam the original Rod anyway.. Oh, that Harlem Square Club record is magnificent! Feverish with groove!
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    Will There Be. Full Moon Fever Deluxe?

    Ok, so I checked. It's basically an updated slightly different take on the "hello CD listeners" concept alright, and basically just a little tiny hidden track/ treasure.. To think it's been there all these years... nice unexpected surprise for me.
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    Will There Be. Full Moon Fever Deluxe?

    And here's a more coherent deal.. summons up a few things most of us already know, but still nice I think: https://ultimateclassicrock.com/tom-petty-full-moon-fever-song-stories/?fbclid=IwAR3xZIbTj8KT44KTYuWh9Xfo11FJ5gAFKUJ76DcCb_M8txadhIkafMWAUI0 This tidbit caught my eye.. Amazingly enough - even when keeping cassette copies of most TP albums for archival/collectors reasons - I have never noticed this! I must somehow find a way to play that ITGWO tape and check it out. When you think you know it all...
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    11/26/06 show?

    Yeah.. I wish those Russian troll factories would let setlist.fm be already... Nothing is sacred no more!
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    Will There Be. Full Moon Fever Deluxe?

    Hahaha..! Jeeze… Below find an addition to above list of FMF 30th Anniv. articles.. also an incredibly bizarre look into the google translate no fact check journalism of our times... this piece is a trip. Among the best and most wicked piece of writing in years. Gotta love the internet, right. Love Is a Lengthy Street.. indeed.. https://epeak.info/2019/04/24/tom-pettys-full-moon-fever-turns-30-a-observe-by-observe-retrospective/
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