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  1. ^ Here's hoping he will autograph your Kindle!
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    The firing of Stan Lynch

    ^ Johnie’s Coffee Shop, LA... (also seen in the movie Big Lebowski.. btw..) I'm afraid it's not a real diner no more.
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    Random Thoughts Thread

    Uh.... by the way. Today I really feel kinda... all-the-restless
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    Random Thoughts Thread

    Not that I don't get the frustration.. but going to these lenghts just to be able to hear it is really a step too far. https://ultimateclassicrock.com/tom-petty-music-theft/
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    The firing of Stan Lynch

    Just one more thing.. Those things are one and the same, though, right? As for Stan expressing dislike with the direction that songwriting, production style or whatever was taking, I think he has every right. (While I generally don't share such sentiment.)* Publically lashing out on Tom - or anyone else - personally, though, would indeed be less charming. (Not that I think Stan did too much of such unprovoced public "backstabbing" though.) Important distinction perhaps. ------ * Being not invited, it's not that he had any professional loyalties to style or otherwise, towards other people's project. He probably liked and disliked lots of music he wasn't involved with. Although, granted, in the case of FMF, his own future perhaps felt at stake, making him more willing to take the bait when asked about it
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    The firing of Stan Lynch

    Ok then. Just for the record, here's hoping that's not denotative of how you valuate people in general.
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    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    ^ Oh man, those bs passes from the 87-95 era are just works of art! Quite a collection.
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    The firing of Stan Lynch

    No, I get it. And it's all good. Again, your post there just reminded me of how people sometimes won't separate a person from his/her work. I realize there's no bulkhead between the two, but for me, I prefer to focus on the latter, since 1 - it's more interesting, and 2 - it's easier when I don't actually know the person. People just generally seem to project very strong emotions and feelings about their idols private qualities, is all I'm saying. Rightfully or wrongfully , but to what point. But, well.. to each their own, surely. Again, a reason to bring it up, is that paradoxically that level of love - or contempt - for the person tends to undermine any serious discussion of the actual work. Deep personal investments in a perceived reality a lot of the times get in the way of any productive attempts at discussing the actual reality, I have come to experience. Again, I have no doubt Stan wasn't your average Saint. But what most people fail to consider, I think, is that Tom wasn't either. (Or Scott. Let's not even go there, you might get upset. Haha.. ). And, most of all, that none of that matters that much, at the end of the day. It's not that it's totally void of importance or interest - since we love what they do musically and the dynamics that's behind it. It's just that, at least to me, it's second (or third?) rate priority for the most part. And that we don't really know them, so it will only take us that far. Sorry if it seems like I was critizing your emotions. They just got me thinking is all. It's all good. Your personal feelings are none of my business, so I may owe you an appology, if that's how it came across. So what if you feel that, besides snare and kick, that affability should be part of the kit (pun!). Finally. Behind this line of reasoning, I do find a paradox, I must say. You seem to suggest that in terms of personality Stan is cold and Steve is warm. In terms of their drum sounds/techniques, it strikes me as being the other way around. Hu! Indeed. Not beyond. That's the whole point. Quite right. We all love their work in various ways around here. Their qualities and character as private persons may in all likelihood be a lot more complex (for better and worse) than the cummulative public image will let on. People should make no mistake about that. Surely that all have informed their public personas as well as their cataloge of work. But whatever the origin - I think these guys are/were more authentic, unfiltered and frankly "real" than most rock stars - there has been... shall we say.. anomalies. It's silly to deny it - that would be exactly the type of religious worship that strip their work of all their talant and hard work. And whether or not such "anomalies" shall be allowed to be pointed out or discussed, should not (IMO) be dependent on any perceived notion about how "good" or "evil" a certain person is. Making good or bad calls, I'm sure they are all just human beings, really. Sorry to break it, folks. It's only natural. Sure - some of them happen to be virtual geniuses as well. And I'm sure that haven't hurt the masterful quality of their work. Ok.. so I do have a dark side.. but I think that is very funny!
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    The firing of Stan Lynch

    @Hoodoo Man: In all fairness, you never HAD to like him. Stan didn't have to be the band equal to your snuggly bear, in order to punch swing your socks off, surely. This was always curious to me, this.. if somewhat understandable (lack of fresh air, religious worship or whatever, sometimes do this to people, lead to a dizzying sensation, a warped sense of reality, if you will), this how much people invest their own innermost personal emotions in various "relationships" with public figures in general and rockstars in particular. How much projection is going on. Sure, some stars seem nicer than others. Sure, some seem more involved in the creative processes than others. Some lead, some follow, some are just hard to grasp in general. Still some seem to get on each others' backs every first chance they get... But really.. all we really can judge fully, is their work. It's what we have and usually the reason for all this love in the first place. The craft behind the songs, the recording and performing of the songs is what matters. A certain biografical piece of information can help you de-code the art, maybe, it can deepen the fascination, help you elevate certain aspects of understanding. But it can also limit your scope quite a bit, forcing you to fit poetry into very narrow explanations, reinforcing myth. Most of all, it may be important to remind oneself sometimes, how little, generally speaking, we really know about the private person behind the art and his or hers inner mystery. Surely, "taking sides" between Stan and Tom is not really necessary. (It was a bumpy ride, according to official history. It was madly creative, loads of fun, but perhaps not the smoothest way to grow old. I personally don't think they were ever mortal enemies NOR best friends, and frankly I don't care, as long as they respected each other and kicked out the best music around. It's all very interesting, but I can't claim them as my own friends.) Taking sides between Stan and Steve on the other hand.. May not be necessary either. Depending on how you view things.* But at least such comparisons can be made on an actual informed analytical level, right. We can discuss the qualities, the styles, the pros and cons of what they technically brings to the table. Subjective, sure, but still... It's quite possible to take sides, if one whishes too do so, when discussing art. To reason. (I do, myself, if not in an overly black or white way, prefer what Stan "did" to the music, but this does not mean I love him necessarily, nor that I wouldn't love Steve if I got to know him.) But judging private character in cases where I have no personal experience, or detailed personal reason to, seems a bit like... shall we say artificial social approximity to me.. I don't really know these guys. It's not my "dear Tommy". It's the deepest respect for his work and his public persona, is all. But sure, if a personality gets too much in my face in a bad way, shows too much double standard, too much hypocricy, this is very likely to tint my whole experience with that person's art. (Martin seem to think along such lines just above... ) Undoubtly. Sometimes it can even ruin the whole thing, but to this never happened with TP or any of the HB. It must be ok to discuss professional decisions and professional choices. To discuss people's private person is something else. Although, surely, there are personal behaviour that seem troublesome, that are sometimes hard to know if they are first and foremost private or professional. Anyway.. Not sure if Stan was ever that "bad" to you, and of course you love or hate anyway you want. I just think this is interesting to ponder and take this opportunity to say this. After all, there has been countless occasions, on various TP oriented platforms over the years, where people really have seemed unable to set TP the person aside from his work, where they just seem to be able to handle that other fans don't like a certain song or even discuss a certain aspect of what they think is holy groung. A very unfortunate and narrow minded, side effect of idol worshipping, if you ask me. That said, I think Stan deserves one of those beers too. ----- *Apples vs pears? Or drummer vs drummer? How about each of theirs' effect on the rest of the rhythm section? Their fit for the songs? Awesome stuff of interest, but not, to me at least, very personal. I am boring that way.
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    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    ^ A mistake of apostrophic proportions! Not the end of the word, as it turned out.
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    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    Yeah.. although OITC at least was made into an actual promo single for the purpose, with picture sleeve and all. So was Making Some Noise, for example. (Both on CD). And both those songs were at least played live, if briefly. And at least I, haven't found any trace of even simple sleeveless promos being made from RT or TAM. They did play album tracks on the waves though.
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    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    Yeah that is so odd. Perhaps RT and Think About Me charted as played on radio titles, or something such. I am fairly certain I have never seen either of them as physical singles. Never a picture, or even listed as singles in any other serious context. Curious.
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    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    Love them for two reasons. Great song selection. Great sound to the LMU material compared to the record. Yeah, maybe one can call it that. Speaking of homages, the BOER imagery is revisited in TP's own writing too, in Something Good Coming too... Besides, it's fitting that TPATH would incorporate some material with connection to Dylan and MgGuinn in 1987, given their recent mutual live adventures. To just pick a BD song from the recent trips they made with Bob, would've been obvious, yet possibly boring (since surely many people seeing them had seen them with Bob too...) . Of course, they could've picked something cool like Chimes of Freedom or Mr Tambourine Man (also connected to McGuinn) but ultimately they went a bit deeper on that side and brilliantly so IMO, with BOER.
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    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    What's that? Really.. RT wasn't a single, was it now.
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    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    All the more so considering All Mixed Up was even a single at the time. (Trivia: also their first CD single). Not a personal favorite song by any means, the decision to make it a single always seemed odd to me. But it was, and as such it's without a doubt comparatively overlooked and ignored in the live context and also not duly anthologized. Just an observation.
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