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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Thelonious in "Air"   
    Haven't checked out the Farm in a while (it still makes me sad to listen to TPHB or think about them since Tom's gone), but the release of the YDKHIF demo made me want to pay a visit to see if someone has something interesting to say about it. So I also saw that thread about politics and left and right and it had become all those things I was always happy the Farm never was.... hate posts and whatnot. What a depressing read.
    So I was glad to discover this interesting topic - and it's the two of you, of course.
    "Air" is a good word, indeed; although each of us will maybe understand something different by it; and maybe that's part of what makes it a good word to describe the Heartbreakers' music. I can relate to the term because I like the jangle, the breeziness, if you will, of some of the earlier stuff (up to She's The One, by my own definition); something that happens in the arrangements and the songwriting, not so much the mix or mastering, so I would not necessarily attribute it to a producer. Not even the drums. It's like you said, MJ2LD, it has something to do with ensemble playing. The spaces between the notes. But also the notes and sounds themselves. It's hard to put your finger on it, which is why it's so precious.
    That somehow stopped with She's The One, imo. That's how I remembered it. I was almost shocked back then. There was Walls and California even, they had a bit of that air... but none of it could be found on Echo, that was when I was not only shocked but scared. Can be no conincidence that this was the period of Tom's divorce. Things got dark that moment, and I think once you went through this kind of darknes - like Tom did - you're never the same afterward. You can't go back.
    Maybe the "air" in Tom's earlier work was youth and all that came with it. A sensation that life was still (wide) open somewhere down the road, that all things could get better, that every fight could be won, that the sky is actually the limit. But there were hard realizations to come. Maybe it started with Stan's departure (or firing). At first, that was what Tom wanted and how he could still move his music in a direction he desired. But then Howie died. And Tom got divorced, went through depression... life happened. I think all of those things took a bit of the sparkle (sorry) out of him.
    It started on Wildflowers, but there was still a glow... I felt a lot of air back then, in that record. Afterward, not so much. And I was still in my teens, so it was not my growing older; not yet; it was in the music.
    So maybe air was youth. Not only was it something we can hear in the music, it was also something that went into its creation. But Tom couldn't be young all the time, he had to find a way to turn his life experiences into music. That was a difficult task for a lot of songwriters of (roughly) his generation. So things got darker, more tense, less airy. Older.
    Thus losing the air, or some of it, was inevitable. And as an artist, Tom learned how to deal with it, how to turn it into music.
    I love the "air" period, which for me includes Wildflowers (and parts of STO). There was great stuff afterward, too, but it had a different quality. It's hard to not let life suck the air out of you, so to speak. Tom's music is a great reminder how that "air" used to feel, how it ought to feel, and how it still can feel.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Mudcrutch in Mudcrutch Farm / mudcrutch.com Will Be Shutting Down July 31, 2020   
    So this is really happening, isn't it? Never in my life would I have deemed this possible.
    But I understand. Thank you so much, Ryan, for giving us a place to exchange our thoughts, however crazy they might seem to outsiders. Only Farmers understood. Shelter, Mary Jane's 2nd Last Dance, Big Blue Sky, Nurktwin, Nightdriver, Marion, everybody...
    Admittedly, I haven't been around much since Tom passed away. That still feels totally awkward. But the Farm has always been a constant. It will be hard when it's gone. I guess we'll all feel a little bit more lonely then. I will.
    So many things I love are going away. Now Mudcrutch.com is one of them.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Silver Spurs in Covers of Tom Petty songs   
    OK, so this is a little embarassing, because A I started this thread and B we've already had some great versions of Mary Jane, but what the heck. Here's our "version". We hadn't done it in a long time, but March was our first concert since Tom passed away, so I just had to do it.
    Oh, and our name is not KiSH, as one might assume, but Giftwood. Enjoy! ;-)
     
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Musician biography book recommendations   
    Yes, I have, and was positively surprised, to be hones. He was a wise man, apparently.
     
    Well, I'm always skeptical when people's memories get too specific. Someone else may remember it  differently.
     
    He wrote beautiful things like this, and elsewhere he's really funny. It's a great book, that's for sure.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Hoodoo Man in Wildflowers (the album) and a bunch of other stuff   
    I think it works extremely well in songwriting. It underlines the notion that he's actually only dreaming about being at the top, because kings and queens always evoke fairy tale imagery. In my mind at least.
    Though for me it's not necessarily being at the top or being rich but more about not having to report to anyone. There's a feeling of loneliness in the song as well, maybe because of the music (like Van Morrison sang, it's lonely at the top!).
    And to me it's also an ambiguous kind of kingdom the character in the song dreams about or retreads to: "A sweet little queen who can't run away"... not the nicest of implications (lock her up in some tower or something).
    It's a great, bittersweet song. I think the character is at a real low in his life, so maybe it's about resignation: "Excuse me if I have a place in my mind where I go time to time". Because, that's what the music tells us, the real world is too sad for him to take. At least sometimes.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Shelter in Wildflowers (the album) and a bunch of other stuff   
    I think it works extremely well in songwriting. It underlines the notion that he's actually only dreaming about being at the top, because kings and queens always evoke fairy tale imagery. In my mind at least.
    Though for me it's not necessarily being at the top or being rich but more about not having to report to anyone. There's a feeling of loneliness in the song as well, maybe because of the music (like Van Morrison sang, it's lonely at the top!).
    And to me it's also an ambiguous kind of kingdom the character in the song dreams about or retreads to: "A sweet little queen who can't run away"... not the nicest of implications (lock her up in some tower or something).
    It's a great, bittersweet song. I think the character is at a real low in his life, so maybe it's about resignation: "Excuse me if I have a place in my mind where I go time to time". Because, that's what the music tells us, the real world is too sad for him to take. At least sometimes.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Sad News   
    OMG... I hope all went well... considering the circumstances of course.
    All the best, Nuktwin! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Echo in the Canyon   
    Might be a dumb question... but who is the dancing bear?
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Words on Take The Highway: Live!   
    Call it what you like... it was a high point before things took a different direction, and therefore a goodbye. Which was great in its own right, but different.
    Not sure about the "hype" part, though. Sounds like there was not much of substance behind Tom, the band, and/or their music. I think we're all on the same page here that the period between 1988 and 1995 is among their best - commercially and creatively.
    I didn't.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Shelter in Echo in the Canyon   
    OK, point taken, they definitely ARE underrated. 😄
    Problem probably is that they had so many lineup changes with only McGuinn remaining from the original incarnation that they might have been more of a project than an actual "band". Which could have turned out embarrassing had they only tried to re-create their original sound over and over again and forced new members into impersonating old ones. But that wasn't how McGuinn played it. He incorporated the strengths of new members and was open to changes in sound, production and songwriting so that each album - or each lineup -  has its own sonic identity, if you will. To my liking, they might have done a little too much of the country rock thing in the end. But the sheer vastness of their stylistic range from beginning to end has had a so much bigger influence than many other, stylistically more coherent bands.
    Plus, it's hard to think of other bands that could/can do carreer-defining covers and also write great original songs that are just as great.
    And the harmonies, oh, the haromonies...
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    TwoGunslingers reacted to martin03345 in Wildflowers (all the rest) tracks?   
    I'm gonna laugh when they finally release All the Rest and it's just a reissue of She's the One
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Mike Campbell's fav records   
    Shelter summed it up.
    Better songs (than the Mystery Train version from The Last Waltz) to get into The Band might be
    Up on Cripple Creek, Don't Do It, The Weight and maybe The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down. If you care for a certain type of "Americana" music, it's almost impossible not to like these. And in the rare case you really don't, they are at least interesting signposts in the history of popular music. Although they're definitely much more than just that.
    Watching The Last Waltz might help understand the importance of The Band. The first song just kills. Having said that, it is, of course, a complicated or even troubled movie, or at least the history of its conception is. Fantastic as an end product nevertheless. And as far as music goes it's probably the single most important document of its time.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in "Best Of Everything" album released   
    Just why does Coldplay come to my mind?......
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    TwoGunslingers reacted to Shelter in Mike Campbell's fav records   
    There is a lot to be said for that. This one is actually one of those things in life that goes beyond whether you find it fantastic or not. (Although, liking it helps some.) At least if you are a music fan with any interest in general rock universe navigation. See.. without The Band in general, their friends and allies, and perhaps that Last Waltz film in particular (as some sort of beacon at the end of a movement), it would be very hard to understand anything of what happened to rock music in the late 60 throughout the 70s and on, how the genuinely American folk rock developed and paved way for what was to become the Alternative Rock, the Americana craze of our times. Milestone material? Well.. Let's just say, trying to understand modern American rock without it, would like trying to understand modern sci-fi without the Alien trilogy.
    On a more "Farming" level, The Last Waltz certainly helps, if mainly by association, in understanding the influences and style references that are soaking through so much of Tom's music. It may also be a pointer towards the rationale behind some of his choice of covers over the years - since, as much as he loved 50s blues rock and the British invasion stuff (in itself in part influenced by Bob and The Band and so on), Tom was himself definitely a child of his times, wasn't he? The traces of Bob, The Band, Butterfield, Bloomfield, Grateful Dead, Little Feat, JJ Cale and all this 70s Americana rock sentiments - the presence of all the who's-who in terms of various inventors of the folk rock scene - are loud and clear, all the way from the first chords of Mudcrutch*. I basically think this stuff was tremendously important to Tom and the guys! "The same mountain stream", yes... that is so very aptly put!
    Good or bad - the Last Waltz is, if nothing more, splendid context.** No necessity or obligation to think or care about these things at all, of course. Music is fine as isolated bubbles too. I'm just saying.. if one has an itch... this film is one of the places to start the scratching.
    That said, hearing that clip there out of context, I can agree it's not the proudest moment of either The Band or Butterfield. The don't exactly nail that song, IMO. And as for Butterfield in general, he sure was a key player and he contributed to a lot of cool stuff, but as a leading man and especially as a singer, I do think that he is slightly overrated. To me he is far from the only reason why his namnesake Blues Band is so groovy. Look more in ways of rhythm section and guitar to find my answers. Also. I'm no big fan of long instrumental harmonica jams, so that may be part of it.... 
    Hm.. having said all this, the one thing that surprise me, though.. is that.. I can't think of all those perfect The Band covers that Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers surely must have pulled out over the years. There is some very strange absence there. A hole in my mind, surely.
     
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    * Come to think of it - slightly tweaked, a song like Up In Mississippi really could be a The Band song. I can hear their harmonies, the Weight or Cripple Creek style vibe taking that song to it's final destination.
    **Another document that covers a slightly different limb of this alternative/Americana beast, a slightly more singer/songwriter oriented era and context, that is highly recommendable would be the Heartworn Highways movie. Ya all really need to see that one, if only for the fantastic studio photage of Larry Jon Wilson trying to nail Ohoopee River Bottom Land (that voice!?), of Guy Clark doing Forever, For Always, For Certain and Townes of course, the sob fest that is Townes Van Zandt's kitchen table take of Waitin' Around to Die. Oh man… I would link all those.. or the whole film.. but you all have to do some of the work yourself. Cruel world.  
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in "Best Of Everything" album released   
    Don't get me wrong; I LOVE the Wildflowers album. No need to sell me on it.  It opened doors for me I didn't even know were there. I just never felt it was as popular as FMF. You know what? It's probably the Atlantic divide. I guess WF never was as big in Germany as it was in the US.
    But for me, gosh, it meant THE WORLD. Musically. And over the years I've always kind of waited for another WF to come out, but it never did. Not from Tom, nor anybody else.
    There is only one album as mellow/wistful/rootsy/atmospheric/earthy as this one. Maybe Neil Young's Harvest comes close, but that's darker and not as strong song-wise.
    Well, maybe every songwriter has their own Wildflowers in them, translated into their own musical language. Paul Simon's Still Crazy After All These Years feels Wildflowerish to me, e.g.
    But we all know, there can be only one WF. By TP.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Mike Campbell Answers 21 Questions   
    Maybe he's trying to tell us something... applying for a job as Led Zep's new guitar player.
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    TwoGunslingers reacted to Shelter in Mike Campbell Answers 21 Questions   
    Sure is. Besides, just think what hanging out with Stevie for a year on the road would do to your once humbled desire to walk on the wild side... I think Mike's various takes on the Fleetwood Max dresscode is beyond stylish. Very killer all in all. I love it. I am already in line at the local taylor, to have some of those new suits and jackets of his (as seen in the bathroom jams) made for me. 
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Mike Campbell Answers 21 Questions   
    A brilliant, historically thorough analysis!
    Yeah... it's not only the hat, obviously, the whole outfit seems a bit... derailed. But I think you found a category for it.
    What's with the scarf, I think I missed it first time around?!? Was too destracted by the hat, probably.
    And the vest or jacket he's wearing underneath the leather jacket... oh, well. Whatever.
    I'm glad he can wear whatever he likes, no matter how strange it may seem, because he's just such a badass guitarist, songwriter, and cool guy. I sure cut him more than just some slack.
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    TwoGunslingers reacted to Big Blue Sky in Mike Campbell Answers 21 Questions   
    when this was re-posted, Two Gunslingers said
    which helped me realize I'm maybe not the only one to think "Michael Wayne Campbell, what are you wearing?  It's a bit weird - steampunk fighter pilot in a zeppelin in the rain - in a good way!!"
    3 theories about Mike's Hat (so far).  
    If it has a brim.  
    It has a turned-up brim -->  shaped like a sou-wester that a fisherman / sailor might wear in a storm. In dark felt rather than in neon yellow vinyl.  Because, style, obviously.  While steam punk often rely on motif of top-hats & goggles, Heartbreakers already covered that ground in early 1980s. So that'd be too easy as it's, very literally, old hat for Mike.    
    If it has no brim. 
    It's inspired by tall wool hats (bonnet rouge) that French revolutionaries wore (that were based on ancient caps from Mediterranean coast) .  Anyway, main thing is - these  symbolize freedom.  Awesome! It's inspired by vintage toques & is actually very restrained & minimalist by comparison with other toques out there.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in "Best Of Everything" album released   
    Aaaaah, that makes sense. Thanks! And welcome to the Farm!
    No harm done; but you do seem to have sort of a Shelter-bias.
     
    Thank you, Big Blue Sky. I'll have to check out that article, because all this still doesn't answer why Ulyate is not credited as a mixer / masterer in the BOE-booklet. But I'm glad to see he seems to have been in charge anyway.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Marion in "Best Of Everything" album released   
    21st Century Spotify Blues?
    The CDs sound great, no two ways about it. Initially I had second thoughts as to whether I should buy this album or not. There are only two songs on there I don't already have. But in the end I thought, heck, this has nothing to do with rational decisionmaking. It's a Tom Petty album, the first "Greatest Hits" of sorts since THE Greatest Hits... even "Anthology. Through The Years" is almost 20 years old... and I'm a fan, so I'll buy it. I knew I would enjoy it, and I do.
    Sequencing is nice, too. I'm glad they didn't choose the easy way of ordering the tracks chronologically. A - if you will - "dramatic" sequencing is always more difficult, more open to discussion and thus a braver thing to do. And more fun to listen to, IMHO.
    So, I'm quite pleased with the album. And even though I really do know (no kidding, I'm totally aware) how many hits Petty wrote - it still blew my mind when I heard the first five songs of disc 1 in a row. It's mindblowing, this level of quality. And it doesn't stop there, of course.
    But who am I telling this.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in "Best Of Everything" album released   
    21st Century Spotify Blues?
    The CDs sound great, no two ways about it. Initially I had second thoughts as to whether I should buy this album or not. There are only two songs on there I don't already have. But in the end I thought, heck, this has nothing to do with rational decisionmaking. It's a Tom Petty album, the first "Greatest Hits" of sorts since THE Greatest Hits... even "Anthology. Through The Years" is almost 20 years old... and I'm a fan, so I'll buy it. I knew I would enjoy it, and I do.
    Sequencing is nice, too. I'm glad they didn't choose the easy way of ordering the tracks chronologically. A - if you will - "dramatic" sequencing is always more difficult, more open to discussion and thus a braver thing to do. And more fun to listen to, IMHO.
    So, I'm quite pleased with the album. And even though I really do know (no kidding, I'm totally aware) how many hits Petty wrote - it still blew my mind when I heard the first five songs of disc 1 in a row. It's mindblowing, this level of quality. And it doesn't stop there, of course.
    But who am I telling this.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Mudcrutch in "Best Of Everything" album released   
    21st Century Spotify Blues?
    The CDs sound great, no two ways about it. Initially I had second thoughts as to whether I should buy this album or not. There are only two songs on there I don't already have. But in the end I thought, heck, this has nothing to do with rational decisionmaking. It's a Tom Petty album, the first "Greatest Hits" of sorts since THE Greatest Hits... even "Anthology. Through The Years" is almost 20 years old... and I'm a fan, so I'll buy it. I knew I would enjoy it, and I do.
    Sequencing is nice, too. I'm glad they didn't choose the easy way of ordering the tracks chronologically. A - if you will - "dramatic" sequencing is always more difficult, more open to discussion and thus a braver thing to do. And more fun to listen to, IMHO.
    So, I'm quite pleased with the album. And even though I really do know (no kidding, I'm totally aware) how many hits Petty wrote - it still blew my mind when I heard the first five songs of disc 1 in a row. It's mindblowing, this level of quality. And it doesn't stop there, of course.
    But who am I telling this.
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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Shelter in For Real   
    No, you're right, not only is it a great image, it's also poetic and beautiful. AND clever.
    I didn't mean to be a smartass here. Sorry bout that.
    You sure do.
     

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    TwoGunslingers got a reaction from Big Blue Sky in Fave TP Tune?   
    Speaking of which, mine isn't "Two Gunslingers", either.  Although it's one of my favorites, definitely.
    But THE favorite?
    Maybe "Crawling Back To You", but that has already been mentioned.
    Maybe "Walls".
    But maybe "Two Men Talking" also.
    Tricky.
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