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  1. 2 points
    All I can say about this is wow, just wow. The hat, the Webb Sisters and the priceless moments at about the 3:00 mark where Tom makes eye contact with the camera and then seconds later when Mike gives them a smile. I hope this performance makes the pro-shot production of the 40th Anniversary tour someday.... was OK one of the pro-shot dates I rember hearing Wriggley field and some of the CA shows were pro-shot...
  2. 2 points
    Shelter

    The firing of Stan Lynch

    @Hoodoo Man: In all fairness, you never HAD to like him. Stan didn't have to be the band equal to your snuggly bear, in order to punch swing your socks off, surely. This was always curious to me, this.. if somewhat understandable (lack of fresh air, religious worship or whatever, sometimes do this to people, lead to a dizzying sensation, a warped sense of reality, if you will), this how much people invest their own innermost personal emotions in various "relationships" with public figures in general and rockstars in particular. How much projection is going on. Sure, some stars seem nicer than others. Sure, some seem more involved in the creative processes than others. Some lead, some follow, some are just hard to grasp in general. Still some seem to get on each others' backs every first chance they get... But really.. all we really can judge fully, is their work. It's what we have and usually the reason for all this love in the first place. The craft behind the songs, the recording and performing of the songs is what matters. A certain biografical piece of information can help you de-code the art, maybe, it can deepen the fascination, help you elevate certain aspects of understanding. But it can also limit your scope quite a bit, forcing you to fit poetry into very narrow explanations, reinforcing myth. Most of all, it may be important to remind oneself sometimes, how little, generally speaking, we really know about the private person behind the art and his or hers inner mystery. Surely, "taking sides" between Stan and Tom is not really necessary. (It was a bumpy ride, according to official history. It was madly creative, loads of fun, but perhaps not the smoothest way to grow old. I personally don't think they were ever mortal enemies NOR best friends, and frankly I don't care, as long as they respected each other and kicked out the best music around. It's all very interesting, but I can't claim them as my own friends.) Taking sides between Stan and Steve on the other hand.. May not be necessary either. Depending on how you view things.* But at least such comparisons can be made on an actual informed analytical level, right. We can discuss the qualities, the styles, the pros and cons of what they technically brings to the table. Subjective, sure, but still... It's quite possible to take sides, if one whishes too do so, when discussing art. To reason. (I do, myself, if not in an overly black or white way, prefer what Stan "did" to the music, but this does not mean I love him necessarily, nor that I wouldn't love Steve if I got to know him.) But judging private character in cases where I have no personal experience, or detailed personal reason to, seems a bit like... shall we say artificial social approximity to me.. I don't really know these guys. It's not my "dear Tommy". It's the deepest respect for his work and his public persona, is all. But sure, if a personality gets too much in my face in a bad way, shows too much double standard, too much hypocricy, this is very likely to tint my whole experience with that person's art. (Martin seem to think along such lines just above... ) Undoubtly. Sometimes it can even ruin the whole thing, but to this never happened with TP or any of the HB. It must be ok to discuss professional decisions and professional choices. To discuss people's private person is something else. Although, surely, there are personal behaviour that seem troublesome, that are sometimes hard to know if they are first and foremost private or professional. Anyway.. Not sure if Stan was ever that "bad" to you, and of course you love or hate anyway you want. I just think this is interesting to ponder and take this opportunity to say this. After all, there has been countless occasions, on various TP oriented platforms over the years, where people really have seemed unable to set TP the person aside from his work, where they just seem to be able to handle that other fans don't like a certain song or even discuss a certain aspect of what they think is holy groung. A very unfortunate and narrow minded, side effect of idol worshipping, if you ask me. That said, I think Stan deserves one of those beers too. ----- *Apples vs pears? Or drummer vs drummer? How about each of theirs' effect on the rest of the rhythm section? Their fit for the songs? Awesome stuff of interest, but not, to me at least, very personal. I am boring that way.
  3. 1 point
    In my view the Highway Companion album was a bit of a botched release. I feel that Home and Around the Roses, which were part of a "Special Edition" re-release about 10 months after the original album, should have been part of the original. Furthermore I feel that the track sequences of both the original and special edition releases don't serve the songs very well. But there are some very good songs here, and there's a general theme in the album, not always adhered to but present at least in "feel" and sometimes more directly in the lyrics. The challenge is to use all 14 songs from the special edition (not using the demos) in a new track order that "flows" well, and perhaps tells or suggests a story, as befitting of a theme album. MJ2LD has noted that the Hypnotic Eye album is very well sequenced in that it is paced well, flows well. Highway Companion on the other hand, is more of a jumble that seems to jump around in style without the usual deep thought that TP typically put into his track sequencing, particularly when the 2 extra "SE" songs are tacked on rather than integrated into the original album. I have given a lot of thought to this, and I have made my own new sequence which I think works reasonably well with the 14 songs. But I'd like to see what other Petty/Heartbreakers fans can do with the 14 tracks in a resequencing. Here they are in alphabetical order for reference, I used alphabetical to avoid the influence of the original track order, though of course you can look at that sequence for inspiration/improvement if you wish. Ankle Deep Around the Roses Big Weekend Damaged by Love Down South Flirting with Time Home Jack Night Driver Saving Grace Square One The Golden Rose This Old Town Turn This Car Around Again note that the above are merely the 14 songs in alphabetical order. I do not think that the above would necessarily make a good track order for the album. I'll add my own sequence after a while, but I'd like to see what others can do first. Feel free to take your time on this, but I hope there will be some entries by the end of next weekend (which might or might not be a "big weekend"). I doubt we'll have voting and there's no prize for this, though we can comment on which sequences we feel have done good service to the songs, and why we feel that way.
  4. 1 point
    TomFest

    Random Thoughts Thread

    That story about a break-in and theft is not what it seems. At least according to the resident Tom Petty expert at the Steve Hoffman forum.... ----------- https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/tom-petty-heartbreakers-2019-thread.799609/page-13#post-22310651 The story is bollocks. To begin with TP didn't store his personal possessions in some random storage locker, especially his recorded work all of which still safely remains in the possession of and accessible by his estate. The Clubhouse was never burglarized! The storage locker that was raided belonged to a private citizen and it's contents were to my knowledge not connected to the Tom Petty estate. While the soft media was good enough to eventually clarify the issue stating the the locker in question belonged to a former engineer of Tom Petty, it should be implicitly understood that the storage locker that was raided at no time was the property of Tom Petty or his estate. As for the items that were recovered from the locker, if I was to hazard a guess I would say that they were items that were gifted to the owner of the locker either by TP and/or his management. Furthermore as far as the recordings that were recovered are concerned, since the contents of such were described as hard drives, these are no doubt digital copies of Tom Petty/Heartbreakers' music rather than the far more valuable actual multi-track reels themselves. ------------------------ For much of the latter portion of Tom Petty's professional career, much of his musical instruments were stored at the Heartbreakers' rehearsal space "The Clubhouse". The location is kept top-secret but it is known to house most if not all of the band's road instruments. It is worth noting that the one time there was a successful pillage of Petty's musical instruments in 2012, they were stolen apparently in transit as the band was preparing to head out on the road. It had all the ear markings of an inside job as a security guard was later arrested in the caper. FWIW, even in the nineteen eighties Petty kept most of his musical instruments off premises as when his house was claimed by arson in 1987, about the only things he was able to salvage were his musical instruments and private recordings which were kept at a location separate from his main property. This may have been due to Petty's belief in a separation between church and state, as he had attempted in the mid-eighties to record "Southern Accents" in his basement, but it lead to issues between himself and the rest of his family at the time. When Petty relocated to Malibu, he kept two properties and installed a small recording studio in one of them and would keep many of his preferred musical instruments at this location. I also know that Tom Petty's friend Norman Harris (of Norm's Rare Guitars) had several of Petty's guitars in his personal collection, that Petty donated to him at one time or another. There are some other stories as well regarding TP's guitars and the like, but I don't want to tell any tales outside of school so we'll leave it at that. PS: While I have no desire to get into this topic again, it is important that Tom Petty/Heartbreakers fans understand that the reason Tom Petty went on tour in 2017 was not out of some wanton desire or greed. He was a professional right up until the very end. He made a commitment to his band, his crew (both of whom he loved) and his fans to live up to an obligation and he did just that. Nobody was twisting his arm or forcing him to go out on the road. He didn't need to tour because he was in some type of financial distress. To paraphrase Mike Campbell prior to Petty's passing, the Heartbreakers go on tour because that is what rock bands do. I miss TP like hell, but one thing I've learned in the past two years is that it does no good to wring my hands over the situation. Tom Petty made a decision to go out and tour in 2017 and given the circumstances I respected the hell out of him for doing so then and continue to feel the same way today.
  5. 1 point
    Hoodoo Man

    Random Thoughts Thread

    BTW I am starting a GoFund me for the legal fees associated with my Petty Theft: contributors will get special streaming access to AllTheRest of my crimes.... Mind boggling that someone would give so little care to Tom's unpublished music that they are in some rando storage facility on a hard drive. 😢
  6. 1 point
    http://somethingelsereviews.com/2014/05/27/into-the-great-wide-open-tom-petty-when-the-time-comes-from-youre-gonna-get-it-1978/
  7. 1 point
    Shelter

    Random Thoughts Thread

    Not that I don't get the frustration.. but going to these lenghts just to be able to hear it is really a step too far. https://ultimateclassicrock.com/tom-petty-music-theft/
  8. 1 point
    Big Blue Sky

    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    Pssst, a black & white lumberjack / hells angel / blues musician seems to be lurking on your name & thumbnail image, Hoodoo Man. 👆
  9. 1 point
    Hoodoo Man

    The firing of Stan Lynch

    @Shelterwell for me the strange this is I really like Benmont, Mike, Howie Steve and of course Tom, Scott seems like a pretty nice guy but he is definitely the most low key member and Ron Blair seems nice and grounded with a great back story on leaving the band having some anxiety about having left, learning most of the catalog and coming back when Howie passed away. Stan on the other hand for me looms large in the background as a strong presence. Not always a favorable one either based on snippets here and there, in the end, he played games with showing up for sessions and was halfway out and halfway in which is never good. Yeah he gave a solid 20 years to the band, was a founding member, sang backup before Howie had opinions on the recordings and contributed quite a bit over the years and was a very solid drummer with a lot of heart and soul. I think its his whining about what Tom wanted from him toward the end that made me feel negative towards him. I saw him live a good four or five times before Steve took over and enjoyed Psychotic Reaction and his vocals as well as IIRC he did another song live as well but there was a certain arrogance in how he carried on that made me not so much a fan of his vs Steve who as I said comes off as very affable with an amazing resume behind him playing with Clapton, the Average white band etc. so for me I'm much happier to see the New Guy play and he is also quite funny. If you watch his review of cymbals someone posted he just seems like a cool dude... My 2 cents fwiw
  10. 1 point
    Hoodoo Man

    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    Just spotted this image on Rock the dogs FB page.... Went to listen to the show today and accidentally started the Mansfield 1999 show which was excellent! Gotta put this show on my phone so I can give it a listen soon....
  11. 1 point
    Shelter

    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    ^ A mistake of apostrophic proportions! Not the end of the word, as it turned out.
  12. 1 point
    Big Blue Sky

    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    Correction: "Especially with TPATH being..." (Sorry, an apostrophe snuck in where it didn't belong. Oh, the shame, the shame. ☕)
  13. 1 point
    TomFest

    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    I've used "Audacity" in the past to alter the pitch, but not often. I've only ever re-shared a show once that I did that to. It was a Jim Croce show at the Philadelphia Folk Festival in 1973 just a very short time before his death. Great recording that sounds like he's in the room with you, but it needed speed correction. I'm afraid my method isn't super scientific - I make sure my guitar is tuned to pitch and I match the recording speed to it. The Heartbreakers are always tuned to pitch (in concert), so the recording should also be there. I don't consider that I'm "fiddling with the original live recording". I'm putting it back where it belongs after someone else already fiddled with it.
  14. 1 point
    TomFest

    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    I rarely listen to that 87' Mansfield show because it runs slightly slow. Almost a full semi-tone flat. I suppose I could quit being lazy and do some speed correction on it. I like to pick up a guitar and play along with the band, but I have to re-tune the guitar for that show. I think running slow also takes some power out of Tom's voice. Can't have that.
  15. 1 point
    Hoodoo Man

    Words on the '87 Mansfield Show

    I will add to this as time permits but here are my thought on the show.... Fist of all I was already a fan of the Del Fuegos, seeing them live really solidified them as a perennial favorite and I still listen to Boston MA more than the average person as it really brings me back to this summer. This was the band at their peak essentially, home town show and they just knocked it out of the park. (I wish there was a boot of this as well as the GA Satellites in addition to this show.) Hearing them play Don't run wild to a huge crowd before their Miller Beer commercial was a huge treat for me. I saw this band at least twice more. Once in a small park in Cape Neddick Maine and they were s%$tfaced and they sounded like hell. Saw them swigging from a bottle before they went on and the set was not nearly as good as Great Woods. I managed to catch them again in 2012 for a brief reunion tour and they were back in form for that one with Warren and Dan playing and singing like it was 1987 all over again but as an opener for an opener they were for sure top notch back in 87 and I would see them again if they reformed again in a heartbeat.* The Georgia Satellites (GAS) were also in top form and probably at their peak as well. Again their self titled debut album was and is still a favorite. I had probably seen a half dozen concerts before this show (Great White, Triumph, Pink Floyd at the very least so I had a decent baseline to judge from.) and the energy behind this set was just unbelievable. The crowd as I recall really got behind the couple of singles (battleship chains, and keep your hands to yourself) and the crowd was more than warmed up for Tom and the boys when they came on. Mind you show time was still 7:30PM and both of these bands played 30-40 minute sets before the main act hit the stage... I had lawn seats and was near the center on a blanket with my friends Kirk and Dave who had brought his new girlfriend Jenn who I'm actually friends with to today. At some point in the Satellites set Dave and Jenn went under the blanket for a long make out section (gross right? ) it got a little uncomfortable for Kirk, myself and the crowd around me as these little sixteen year old's were making a spectacle of themselves just outside of plain sight. So I quietly sprinkled them with some popcorn on the blanket... the crowd around me started laughing so I poured more on them, this got a bigger laugh and my friends were clueless to all that was going around above the blanket. A few minuets more go by and now fairly irked at them I took the rest of the movie style bucket of popcorn and dumped it on Dave's back and pressed the empty bucket down mildly hard. He immediately shoots up "what? What just happened? with the crowd around him giggling and popcorn all over him and Jenn and the reddest cheeks you have ever seen on both of their faces. They behaved for the remainder of the show. 😂🤣😂 thirty two years later and I can see it like it was last week. At some-point that evening I bought a white tour shirt that was already too small for me as it was a smallish medium. Still have the shirt in my closet, wore it for a year or so and then totally outgrew it. @MJ2LD I think the set was somewhat shorter to accommodate the Rock-N-Roll caravan triple bill as Great Woods has a more or less strict curfew as their are some homes nearby. I want to re-listen to the set by Tom before I comment further but this show really turned me into a Pettyhead and I rarely missed a show in the next thirty or so years of the band coming around to New England. Jenn and I saw Tom a few times together again with other folks over the years, wish I could have taken her to see Tom the last tour but as we both have school age kids she couldn't make it the last time. * I saw Dan Zanes as a solo artist quite a few times as he has been doing children music for the last couple of decades. Its closer to pop folk music if that makes any sense, and he is really quite listenable with or without kids in the car. Now that my kids are 14 and 16 (the age I was when I saw this show - holy crap.) we don't follow Dan anymore, but we saw him in at least 3 New England States back then and my wife and I plan to go see him again some time to relive the kids being so damn little and the dance party atmosphere. The funny thing is Dan used to do an all star show for mothers day and his Mom to benefit the Friendly kitchen so a bunch of local Boston area musicians would show up to this kids show so I met the drummer from Morphine, Laurie Sargent and a few other locals that I had listened to in the 80s while my kids wondered why Dad was geeking out as the band got on stage...😎 ** I'm really bummed as it turns out I just missed the GAS playing in MA, Dan Baird had a brush with really bad health a year or two back and seems to have recovered now. I have heard he still does a great show so check them out if you are a fan as he reunited the band and they are doing shows around the us and UK.
  16. 1 point
    nurktwin

    Steve Ferrone

    Steve tries out new Sabian HHX cymbals.
  17. 0 points
    nobodyinparticular

    Random Thoughts Thread

    Although it might have been a joke, there was an interview ca. 1999 where he mentions getting in trouble for shooting at trees. Just popping in to say hi.
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