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  2. chimera

    Question of the day 7/20/18

    Yep, I had a few of those myself.
  3. chimera

    the Southern Accents/Wildflowers Theory

    I think he was happy with it at the time - they all were, if we can take them at their word given the interviews of the time. To me it was an expression of a few things: getting back to Heartbreakers' activity was important to Tom and he felt good about the chemistry of the band at that juncture as a result of their time with Dylan and he therefore wanted an album which would reflect it. However, it's also noted in Zanes' book that Tom thought about breaking up the band when Let Me Up did not succeed in the way he expected it to, or at least in a similar way to past efforts. I feel like Southern Accents succeeded despite itself, whereas Let Me Up wasn't given a chance to find its' feet because it's ragged in a way which people weren't into at the time, and it's very much a band album. Southern Accents doesn't necessarily demonstrate the core values of the Heartbreakers and that could be, in part, why it appealed to a wider audience. It really seems to me that Tom was truly happier making solo albums (at least at the time) and it's therefore expressed in both Full Moon Fever and Wildflowers, but I think the latter is the first time he really started to believe he was an artist, and his own ambition rose to the challenge. It is a work which fully embodies who he was and what he wanted to express and it does so in a way which is appealing to just about everyone which speaks to Rubin's skill as much as what Tom could achieve as an artist.
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  5. High Grass Dog

    the Southern Accents/Wildflowers Theory

    This was interesting and well thought-out. Nice work, MJ2LD. I see the parallels you are drawing, though I never tied these two albums together in that way before. I do find it funny that Southern Accents, Let Me Up and Wildflowers were all supposed to be double albums at first before they were trimmed down. I wish the record execs out there would have just let TP release a double album at some point in his career the way he clearly wanted! πŸ˜„
  6. High Grass Dog

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    I really, really liked Hypnotic Eye when it came out, and I still play it all the time. Four years later, and I don't think it ever left the CD player in my car! It's a top tier album top to bottom. The only regret is that more of these songs were never aired out live. I do wish "Playing Dumb," which is a killer tune, had made it onto the standard album. I would say the single song I am most looking forward to hearing on the new box set, if I had to pick just one, would be "Bus to Tampa Bay," just because I can't get enough of new material from this era of the band. It's definitely ending a career of recording on a high note.
  7. nurktwin

    LP of the Week II

    7/23/18 This week's LP is "Breakfast In America" by Supertramp
  8. MaryJanes2ndLastDance

    the Southern Accents/Wildflowers Theory

    Yes, exactly! FMF was a happy serendipitous moment, from what I've read it seemed like a very quickly recorded album. WF was a lot of work on multiple levels but he was happy with it, as I went on above. cheers
  9. High Grass Dog

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    Interesting speculation, and after considering it, I think I agree with you. After the bombast of Mojo and Hypnotic Eye, I think TP's next new recording would have had a folkier, slightly more acoustic bend. I don't mean "I Forgive it All" style solo acoustic. I pictured it more like "Orphan of the Storm" or "To Find a Friend" β€” band songs with tempo, but breezier and folkier. It would have been a project probably years down the line. I would guess a new TP album (not counting Wildflowers All the Rest or compilations) wouldn't have been recorded and released possibly until 2020. But at that time I would guess he would have sought out something a little different.
  10. Adamr

    Autograph similarity

    I've found thes other tom petty autographs and they look very similar to the ones on the record but I still would like another opinion before I act and purchase it. thanks
  11. TwoGunslingers

    the Southern Accents/Wildflowers Theory

    Interesting... you mean, Wildflowers can be seen as the bright mirror image of Southern Accents? A bit far fetched, imo, but worth thinking about. (Along the same lines: Is The Last DJ the mirror Image of DTT?) There could be some truth to it in the sense that maybe Petty tried to implement a principle that didn't work at the time of Southern Accents. Possible.
  12. nurktwin

    Classic Rock Video of the Day II

    7/23/18 Roger Hodgson of Supertramp
  13. TwoGunslingers

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    Yes, The Last DJ (song) qualifies, and so do enough songs on Wildflowers and She's The One, Echo even, to make them enjoyably mixed stylistically diverse albums to my ears. I missed the jangle and the harmony, the whole West Coast melancholia, that seeps through actually all the albums up to Mojo (with the exception of The Last DJ album, maybe). It probably started on Wildflowers, but you didn't really notice until Echo that Tom's divorce and all the nasty experiences tangled up in it took their toll. On Rhino Skin he sang, as we all know, "If you listen long enough / You can hear my skin grow tough". That put a lump in my throat back then, I remember that very precisely, and it still makes me sad when I hear it. Today I know exactly what he meant. I sensed it back then and I felt sorry for him, but now I can imagine how he felt. Not that I've been divorced, thank God, but there are other experiences that can make your skin grow tough. So I'm not disappointed or anything with HE. I totally understand how Tom could only have written such an album at that point in his life. It's just that it doesn't really do it for me, as an album, songwise. Almost everybody likes their Petty a bit different. ;-) Me, I wish he would have recorded something like Chris Hillman's Bidin' My Time that he produced. And I still think he had such an album in him, maybe one more Wildflowers, folky, countryish, singer-songwriter style. A wise and forgiving statement. There are traces of that on Mudcrutch 2. But I think he wasn't ready yet for such a personal statement on album level. He would have gotten there, eventually, I'm quite sure. That's easy to say now, of course, because I can never be proven wrong. But then again much of the most fun topics here on the Farm is based on mere speculation, isn't it? It's sad, so sad, that he's gone. Another solo album, maybe; maybe another one with the Heartbreakers, riding into the sunset with his holsters empty, a wry smile on his face as he turns around and greets everyone with a tip to the hat. Mama, put my guns into the ground, I can't shoot them anymore. On the other hand - would that really have been the way to go out for the kid who toyed around with a knife during business meetings in the late seventies, the guy who tore up a dollar bill on the cover of Rolling Stone, the man who wrote The Last DJ? Probably not. Absolutely.
  14. MaryJanes2ndLastDance

    the Southern Accents/Wildflowers Theory

    I think it's safe to say that Tom Petty considered Wildflowers his favorite album and maybe best work. WF is the culmination of what he tried doing with Southern Accents, a highly personal album that stretches what he's capable of musically and lyrically. It's also the opposite of Southern Accents in production sound, very grounded, well balanced instruments, with any additional element like strings tastefully and subtly added unlike the horns. He succeeded with WF where he "failed" with Southern Accents. On top of it, it's one of the few albums in the popular culture that are considered essential besides Greatest Hits, next to DTT and FMF. If Long After Dark was treading water than Southern Accents was an attempt at pushing himself further, confronting the south in his own personal way and even experimenting with Dave Stewart. But a lot of factors derailed the album and the experiments were largely the best thing about it though your opinion may differ. I don't know what to make of Let Me Up, was he happy with that record? Was it just a result of needing to record new material after touring with Dylan? it reminds me of a later version of You're Going To Get It, something done relatively quickly to get something new out there, though I could be wrong. Regardless, I don't know if the record was considered a triumph or even a success for him. But I think everything he tried to do with Southern Accents (aside from a storyline) he achieved with Wildflowers and is another reason he loved the record so much. Well, that's my opinion anyway. It's got a warm inviting sound, it has a little bit of higher energy rock-n-roll, some quick moving pop, a bit of the blues, hopeful love songs, sad songs, it really does span a lot of emotions and unlike Echo, doesn't have the reputation of being too dark or too long. Like Southern Accents, it took a long time to record but unlike that record he was very happy with the finished album. Instead of an injured hand amazingly repaired, he had a new drummer that fit what he wanted perfectly, a HUGE hit single with YDKHIF and a long tour to play quite a bit of the record. What do you think? cheers
  15. MaryJanes2ndLastDance

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    Nice. You got to hear the moody extended Shadow People. cheers
  16. MaryJanes2ndLastDance

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    Me as well, aside from songs that were a bit lesser relative to the others growing better with time. Most of the records I love pretty much maintain their spots in my own list, it's the others that jostle for position, some songs growing in stature for me. Much like Full Moon Fever I instantly liked this record and it's stayed strong since. cheers
  17. MaryJanes2ndLastDance

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    It's interesting how one's opinion can change for some albums but stay the same on others. If anything my enjoyment of this record has increased with time, detecting more little pieces of music or flourishes in different songs. Four years ago...crazy! I remember calling around and none of the local record emporiums had it and sad to say the nearby local independent store that I loved going into had been long gone so I had to drive a bit of a way to pick up Best Buy's only copy. Did they ever return to this style of playing after Wildflowers? I realize Tom loved Howie's harmony singing but I mean more musically, the jingle jangle sound or that, I don't know what to call it exactly but the musical combo of their instruments making their signature noise, like in DTT, Hard Promises and Long After Dark. ITGWO had it, FMF had it to a degree but after WF? Since you are particularly drawn to that style in your opinion, anything post WF that has it? Even WF? I think that album was the beginning of the midtempo groove songs. Does the Last Dj song qualify for you? I think they as you put it, really plowed the blues rock field with Mojo, with this album I think they threw used a bit of the previous harvest but really went off into different directions. If Mojo was them grooving along at a heavy pace, then Hypnotic Eye was Tom hitting the accelerator. I remember at the time people saying this album was a return to their early records and others being disappointed it wasn't. I didn't view it as them trying to recapture the energy and songs of I Need To Know, Listen To Her Heart and Too Much Ain't Enough exactly but more them playing rock songs with 37 years of experience. I'm glad they returned to making a more straight ahead (though I think it's anything but which makes it even more impressive) rock-n-roll record. For fans of the mellower side or the more somber introspective or downright heartbroken Tom you've got WF/Echo/Last Dj and some of Mojo, the last time they played a song with a bit of a faster tempo was back with Zero From Outer Space. Last Dj. Saving Grace. What's impressive to me, is that they pulled it off without being derivative of themselves and others (though they veer close with Forgotten Man) and still went in new and interesting directions with Full Grown Boy, Fault Lines, etc. I wonder what others think of it over the intervening years? cheers
  18. TwoGunslingers

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    That hit me pretty hard, too... I still think of HE what I thought in 2014. American Dream Plan B, Fault Lines, Shadow People are easily among Tom's best. The rest, to me, is... "less than magical", to quote Levon Helm (on a completely different subject matter obviously). Also, the sound is harsher and colder than one is used to get from a TPHB record. I would have loved to see the Heartbreakers back in Hard Promises mode, all harmonies and jingle jangle, big choruses and the like, rather than plowing the old blues rock field one time too often. But people change, life gets tougher... and so does the music, I guess.
  19. Shelter

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    Still like it! Of course. Still think much of what people said, reviewing it in the old HE thread makes lots of sense. Most views people had back then, analysing textures, layers, details of it, still rings largely true to me.
  20. Shelter

    The Extended Jam Extravaganza Thread

    Yeah, s c "fan fiction" is not my bag.. As for the quote from my post though, yeah I know that is true. πŸ˜ƒ
  21. jtx84

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    The last tour I saw was the Hypnotic Eye tour in 2014 so this album is a little more special to me because of that. I stil listen to it from time to time. I like the more rocking songs. American Dream Plan B, U Get Me High, Forgotten Man, and Fault Lines are all great. They did a great job of making the songs sound fresh.
  22. Liberty

    Question of the day 7/20/18

    What do you mean?
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  24. MaryJanes2ndLastDance

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    I see. Again, what a high note, in my opinion to end on. And while the emphasis is more on rock-n-roll songs there's still quite an amount of varied songwriting, All You Can Carry has some nice guitar leads, a bit of a charged up blues song, Burnt Out Town is a rollicking bluesy number, you've got the nod to their influences in Forgotten Man, and while the music may not be their most original it has some really good lyrics, and for people like me who enjoy when TPATH went a little heavier (ISHKI, All or Nothin' etc.) this album is a treasure. I like Power Drunk, with the heavy chords, Mike's wailing leads but what sets the song apart is that (counter-melody?) that kicks in at 2:25pm and at the end. And lyrically you've got Tom being resigned, romantic and defiant across the eleven songs. cheers
  25. chimera

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    Just to clarify, that was more of a rhetorical question because I know it was their last studio album.
  26. Big Blue Sky

    AUTOGRAPH authentication

    I agree with you on this, Nurktwin. Have lived through some down-sizing experiences for older generations people moving house. Part of fun of having things is developing a succession plan, whether that's for things of monetary value or just one quirky thing only one other person in world would like. Like knowing your pet has a guardian they can live with and be appreciated, if your circumstances change (even if only for short term stay while you're on holiday). Though, technically, can maybe can try to take some things, if you are Egyptian pharaoh. Saw an episode of Antiques Roadshow where man inherited piece of art from his father which turned out to be valuable. Having no children of his own, he organised a legal arrangement with museum whereby he owns it but they borrow it sometimes and will own it after he passes on.
  27. WonderingWaitingWorrying

    What do you think of Hypnotic Eye four years later?

    I first have to get over the fact that its been 4 years
  28. chimera

    The Extended Jam Extravaganza Thread

    Now perhaps you're being facetious, but since the person who runs the blog states: Maybe Baby is β€œpartly truth, partly fiction.” It's a completely different take on rock and roll history. ...that particular story is only kind of true, you know? Fascinating, though, to think of what might have happened.
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