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  1. Wow, they are just all over the place these days.....
  2. Yeah, great, thanks! Made my day. Cool and fun thing for MC. A little playtime break from being the cog in the big routine/machine he's otherwise stuck with. How cool!!
  3. Judging from countless youtube clips.. how about a 12" Live record for next year's RSD? A1. Rockin' Around With You A2. Swingin' A3. Stop Draggin' My Heart Around A4. Time To Move On B1. Forgotten Man B2. You Got Lucky B3. Walls B4. Something Good Coming Sounds like a dream to me. Great songs, not too much represented on live releases in the past, and for most parts great moments to have the Webb Sisters quality of this tour highlighted too. Sure, it may be argued that my suggestions are a bit "mellow heavy", but frankly, aside from the beaten to death dittys that are RDAD, Refugee, YWM, ISHKI, most all other great TP rockers have long sinced been ignored and unplayed by TP, so.. so it goes. At least Forgotten Man could add a litle pulse and flair in this case. It's not optimal in my book, but it gets the job done. So, here's hoping.
  4. I like to regard myself as a bit of a "setlist casualty" actually, now when you're mentioning it.....
  5. ^ Me neither. Those two played on the radio would be about half of what I'd consider the value core of such release. Add Time to Move One and Walls.... maybe Stop Draggin' My Heart Around and Crawling Back To You... and perhaps an EP would cover the needs this time. Would be a killer EP at that!! Hope they'll consider it, despite everything.
  6. So glad to read that!! Amazing. Thinking we all got our stories with this band. If you (all of us) are lucky, it won't be the last time. Just the last time with a huge format tour. My guess is that, great as it is, you would not miss it too much, if next time is smaller scale and more intimate and perhaps a few other songs. It won't be too bad, I'm sure! Here's to the past and the future of this band!!!
  7. ^ Yes, to compare TPATH with MO might be a stretch. But still.. not really, you're right! Cause, the thing is - obviously (and like I've been heard saying more times than most logic would deem necessary, sorry) - that none of this is really rocket science or down to natural law, like some might have you believe. Fact: So many bands and acts, on all levels of success, do that. By certain definitions, that is even the "real" way of doing it, of being a musician, playing music, as opposed to being a salesman, selling just any trademarked and specifically designed product. If anything I'd say that it's a band with just a handful of hits that would be most easily convinced that they would need to stick to those exact songs, so kudos to MO, in that respect then. In fact there are several acts with a lot more "hits" than TP (in the public eye) that has a more sound approach to the setlist (during tours and certainly between tours!) And there are bands both with few and tons of hits that are working their set like mad, too. I'm not a fan of the latter (it can be nice, but it's not necessary and like most agree, one or two "anchor moments" are nice for audiences of most walks), but I am cecrtainly not a fan making music a frozen meal either, ready to be defrosted and heated to exact form and taste night after night, if you catch my drift. Further, as for hits, if you have just one or no hits, you are, by any definition, free to do what you like (not even the beer drinking, music killing crowd that some acts have made top managers of their set lists, would have anything to say, cause they don't know any of the songs anyway). And if you have a looong list of classic hits, you are in the best of positions, cause you don't have to venture too far or deep, you don't have to work too hard as is where, since you can rotate most spots on your setlist twice or three times over and still have 90% or more of your set widely recognized, loved and shared. All that as far as listening to the big part of the crowd that puts diamonds in your ears, but don't really care for your MUSIC that much. The fair weather friends, as it were - those are nice to have to make your first few milions and a name to do what you want. After that, they are mostly a necessary pest, so to speak. Stinking up the experience (although it is nice to have them sing along to Free Fallin' every now and then, most real rock moments are lost on most of them, which is too bad for the band and the real fans.) Again.. if you have no hits or if you have tons, that shallow-but-big segment of the crowd are the easiest pleased. Question is why you even take those so much in consideration once you made it big enough not to depend on them. And even if you feel obliged to do so (for whatever reasons you may think you have to keep being a salesman - or worse - becoming more and more of a salesman the older you get - hey, "thinking about the family" comes in many variations, some are spelled with a number of zeroes) if you want to do it, there are still many decent or halfdecent ways to aim your act towards the masses. Like MO shows in your example - or like Bob, Eddie, Neil, Bruce and so many others over the years that are not so much smaller deals or brands than TPATH............. it's not a matter of what you must do - it's a matter of what you want to do and what you think fun and fair. In short: there's plenty proof in world history that this is all about approach. Personally I'd just wish - no matter what your preferences are in terms of the action - that all the whitewash extravaganza and explanations would end. Sure, like it the way it is, but don't try to dress it up or explain it away as something it is not. Any kind of approach to a live show approach is possible for a real artist. For a product, perhaps not so much.
  8. Must say, that does not seem to compute with my understanding. (Now, you may be right, but if so, there are other things wrong, elsewhere.) From what I understand, I'm not sure most of the shows so far did sell out at all. Some of them have been listed as "sold out", admittedly, but most has not and most have had tickets "available" up until very close to show time.* And as for the remaining dates, at least from here, it looks like there are still seats at "Ticketmonopoly" for most dates, from most angles. Perhaps those are mostly listed at for-rich-kids-only prices (yikes!!), but pricing, just like other aspects of dealing with tours and tickets these days, is just another symptome of the disease, so to speak. This has all entered the realm of product lines and brand maximizing. After some years of hanging on a fence between music and business (pleasure and pain as it were) - a fence it is totally normal to be backed up against when you have enough fans, but at which at least some heroes manage to hold their ground surprisingly well - TPATH have now finally sorta fallen down the wrong side, it may seem. At least that's my understanding and I see way too many signs pointing off in this general direction foul. This year's tour have grown to be an unabashedly traveling brand display. And while that in one way could be expected from a hits tour celebrating the 40 years of this band, the content has already been celebrated to near death (my opinion) and the outter format of it all meanwhile has taken yet a few small steps ever closer to the horrors ridiculed on the Last DJ album. Never have that album ringed more false than it does today, when the list of things TP seems to have agreed upon in the name of collecting his pay check, soon have him placed right in the middle of enemy lines, comforted to death by that same industry and mind set that he so rightly badmouthed on DJ. The three big reasons I personally love this band so much are: their songs, their personalities/integrity and their heart and soul as musicians that are great on record but even more fantastic live. Over the last few years, I must say that it's grown increasingly clear to me, that almost all of those songs have not been performed live more than once, if ever, and that the really cool and so rare and much cherished (by me!!) integrity aspect, also largely are going AVOL these days, at least in part it's fallen down the wide crack that is opening between what TP says and what TP does. He says a lot of stuff, the way he always did, but these days he acts just exactly the way any other big heartless money collecting act would (save for a few humbeling nods and remarks on stage, that still reveal that he wants to come across, and likely really is, a good guy, he just happened to signed the contract that's all.) What is still here, for me, is their incredible musicianship! And one out of three aspects remaining, of what once was a special love for a special band... well.. it's something.. but it's not the best and most optimal way to manage a ultra rare legacy, if you ask me. I saved my money, and my bleeding heart, perhaps, this year. Next time, I think I go see Kiss instead, what's the difference, other than honesty? Ok, so that derailed a bit. Sorry... you know how that goes with me... Back on topic: As I understand it, most dates (all?) have been success in terms of profit. Just a handful of them, though, has really been sold out. (So far, if true, that is interesting math in itself.) As for HB, I can still find tickets to both shows, although I take it they will soon be sold out indeed. Just to add my cents and perspective, that is. Not to be rude. --- *The whole trickery of all that is an interesting subject in itself. If mostly something you don't normally have to reflect much upon if you are not identify yourself as more of a customer and/or a fan of the big label, big star, big patented, standardized and sponsored S-H-O-W-S by names likes of Madonna, U2, The Eagles and all the current wallfowers and big teen sensations of Bieber, Beyonce, Cyrus, Swift, hip hop super stars and what have you. All of which may or may not come from a music oriented place, but arguably have all ended up being swallowed up by the money and turned into elaborate puppets of the machine, all about sales and hype, the way the world is spinning these days. They could have been a new trendy burger, or a new big-selling toy from the latest movie, but they just happened to be good looking people with a management and a musical talent of various degrees and sorts. God knows - both real musical geniuses and mindless miming dancers alike, have fallen into the market pit over the years. From a straight recorded body of work aspect, it may be deeply unfair to compare Don Henley to the latest lipsyncing teenager, but no matter the outset, these days they do play the same side of the chess board - and they soon have us all in mate too. One pawn after the other, trying to combine success and legacy with integrity and artistic pride is falling all over the board apparently. The general consensus - and the biggest scam of all - is that "there is no other way". (If you - not You, but "you" - agree to that and you help making this world a decidedly more miserable place.)
  9. I Shot The Sheriff (after he tried to pull me over) by Bob Marley Hello Mary Lou by Rick Nelson oh.. and also... Jolene... kinda more than you'd think pops up when you start to think about it...
  10. also.. down your alley, nurk... "Help!" (can't remember the band.........)
  11. Ain't No Sunshine by Bill Withers. and let's not forget... Edge of Seventeen, by Stevie Nicks, to add a TP connection...
  12. Apparently there are Flat Earth Societies around the globe.
  13. ^ How eloquently put! As so often been my point: very little rotation can go a long way! Not sure why that is so hard to see. Certainly, this is the case when the formula, as here, is not only post mortem stiff since the tour started, but rather since the bulk of a decade or two. If I had a say, you'd too be hired as TP adviser in these issues. It's simple and it's genius. Basic level genius, mind you - don't let it go to your head! - but still genius enough to prove my age old point: that within limits something like your suggestion would make for a much better approach and a much more alive felt situation, big impact with small measures. (Now if you could find a solution for the canned remarks and pleasantries too, Id make you senior top chief of miracles.) Yeah, really? Well, messing with any detail, any step or wording even, in the carefully staged show is clearly making him "uncomfortable". Not exactly too rock'n'roll, by any definition I know. Rather it's all too stiff n stale. That said - age and health has got nothing to do with this. It's not a valid argument. Growing old and changing in various ways is perfectly normal. But doing so with dignity, does not entail doing things you really don't want to do, or to play by rules you don't believe in. So, it's anyone's personal decision what is what with all of that in the case of TP. Either way it's a matter of approach. As the example above shows, a little goes a long way. It doesn't have to be rocket science. It doesn't even have to be real rock'n'roll (that's too much to ask from most s.c. rock stars anyway, even if TP used to be one of the prime exceptions from that rule). It can be very simple, really. Just killing the auto pilot at times is a good start. Then rotate two or three slots from night to night, and even more importantly: change more than two or three songs from tour to tour (!!) and your show will soon seem quite exciting, no matter how automated it is and how tired you are. Again, it's very simple. Thanks for pointing that out! Hm. Indeed. Or from any album. A tragedy. Obviously, with a band like this, all of the above is really minimum requirement. When they really play stuff is when it gets really excited! But, as so often been noted, this (as opposed to other tours looking just like it) is supposed to be a greatest hits exposé and therefor we shall not go over board with the expectations. But a little sign of life? Please? If you can't do it the way you enjoy it and been talking about, then don't do it. Simple.
  14. Yeah. That too. Another lame blow to the already dead horse. Must have been the least creative way possible to go about things.
  15. Not that I was there, but in terms of caring about their artistic integrity, Insider sure... ...or I was kinda thinking more along the lines of "outsider", so to speak. That is, I's hoping for just about anything at all outside the box, outside the more than beaten to death show format of a horse they've been carrying around for so long. Sure, even seeing Stevie, let alone hearing her sing Stop Draggin'... is mind blowing excitement. Especially by this year's standard. But missing out making something more special, something unscripted, or at least re-scriptured, for this historic chapter, this bookend as it may be, really makes this sad limp a bit of a last nail in the coffin for me. It's been plain to see, even from videos, that the true spark's been lacking all this tour, that whatever it did set out to do, the inspiration's been replaced with a going-through-the-motion display. It's tired and it's definately void of spontanity, and of music celebration, exploration and curiosity. It's stuck in gear, it's predestined to the point. It's dead. Not taking THIS chance to pull at least a little more than the obvious few minutes out of the long since forgotten hat, is more telling than I would like it to be. So, add another title to the cumulative set list. And then, all I can hope for is a last bolt of creative energy somehow to strike TP for some of the last dates of the tour. I still don't give up! Can you believe it! It's a big long tour and pehaps I should just rather hope that his physical energy will carry him through. (Although, I must confess, I rather listen to a TP sitting down playing a dynamic, varied and heartfelt set of songs, with a right set mind, than a strutting aorund, physically straight TP repeating the same tired charade of words and songs over and over to no end. I am sorry, but I just don't hear any truth in any of the (almost) prerecorded things he said or done on stage this year.* With a few more weeks to go, I'm starting to feel that my long ride with this live band, a ride that has aldready slowed some in terms of "just doing it", is getting near it's final end. Of course there is this other hope I have. That this big tour b-s will be over, come fall, and that TP will get his energies calibrated straight and go back to play for real, with Mudcrutch or the Heartbreakers.. to just play, and leave this ugly leage A business of hollow consumption behind. It's not worthy. I can't say I wasn't prepared, but I still get a really ugly taste in my mouth each time I realize how alive the music itself is, yet how dead the approach. Oh baby... I feel that mojo.. dead on the ground. Buried under piles of money and smiling plastic lips. Hm... time to go get myself a light beer. Sorry for the confusion. I any real rock is gonna happen, you know where to find me. I learned from the best. Tom Petty.