Mudcrutch Vinyl Singles....

[EddieRebel27]

Hello everyone, I'm new here at the farm...so nice to meet ya'll and glad to be a part of such a great community of fans...

I'd like to open with the subject of the "Mudcrutch" Vinyl singles...."Up In Mississippi" and "Depot Street."

Is it true that the "white-label" vinyls are not authentic??? And if so, the "yellow-label" 45's.....are they really only available for $1,000+

I've seen rumors floating around regarding this subject...and "I Need to Know"...if you know what I mean.

If anyone has details regarding this...I'd love to hear. Thanks!:077:

[Refugee]

I think any of them available is worth it. I have both, the yellow and white, they are both precious to me.

[Mudcrutch]

I am guessing you have seen this page:

http://www.mudcrutch.com/index.php?pageid=mudcrutch

^ Unfortunately thats all that I know, I am hoping somebody can come along and clarify everything.

Like Ref, I have had both (my yellow one thanks to her!) and the white one looked like a "fresh" copy with plastic shavings, what appears to be a newer/thinner label, etc. -- which to me looks like it was more recently manufactured.

both are cool though! I am looking to get as many as I can over the upcoming years. :)

[Echosoftom]

Nice collectables guys! Very cool!

[EddieRebel27]

yeah, thanks for the link 'Mudcrutch'...I did come upon that. By the way, I think that group shot of them is a classic...if they could somehow replicate that for the new album...it'd be worthy of the cover!

[Wildflower]

On my white labled you can read : Promotion Copy Not For Sale

[EddieRebel27]

Thanks Wildflower...that seems to make the most sense.
I appreciate it! Happy weekend to everyone...

[Miami Steve]

I had always thought the white label promos were all counterfeits. I know the copy I have was purchased around the late '80s and it appeared to be a brand new record and there seemed to be a plentiful supply of them that could be purchased from several mail order outlets that carried bootlegs so I'm sure they were counterfeits. Also, a white label promo usually has the same song on both sides (mono/stereo versions) instead of having a different b-side like the commercial release. The question is whether any white label promos were made back in 1975, even so there wouldn't have been that many to account for the number of second hand copies still on the market. I started a thread on this subject in the Record Collector's Guild forum some time ago but didn't come to a definitive conclusion. Someone did post this scan of their stock copy of the record though.

http://www.mudcrutch.com/photos/data/500/481359.jpg

[Marion]

Has anyone ever played their records to see if they were really the real thing or just a record with a fake label slapped on it? Thanks to Ref, I have a white one but never played it.

[Wildflower]

I have played my, and it´s on what shall be on...:003:

[Refugee]

The white label were promo copies for radio stations...weren't they?

Doesn't matter to me, both of mine are special and both are signed by Mike Campbell. :003:

[Mudcrutch]

http://www.mudcrutch.com/photos/data/500/481359.jpg


wow that is interesting.

I haven't played my white one -- I don't have anything to play it on. :rolleyes:

[Wildflower]

The white label were promo copies for radio stations...weren't they?



Yes, I think so

[Wildflower]

wow that is interesting.

I haven't played my white one -- I don't have anything to play it on. :rolleyes:

My record player is very old and I most of the time have to fight with him about how fast 45rpm or 33rpm are......:013::rolleyes:

[Miami Steve]

Has anyone ever played their records to see if they were really the real thing or just a record with a fake label slapped on it? Thanks to Ref, I have a white one but never played it.

I have certainly played mine and it plays Depot Street and Wild Eyes but that wouldn't necessarily determine whether or not it's genuine. A counterfeit is a complete replica of the record; vinyl, label, even the cover in the case of an LP. The sound on this particular record is pretty good so that doesn't give it away as a counterfeit and it's still a worthwhile buy considering how much less than an original it costs.

White label promos, also referred to as DJ or DJ-only copies, were intended for radio stations. The simple black & white printing on the promos made them easier to bootleg than the stock copies with colored labels.

While on the subject, I think all the white label copies of The Official Live Bootleg are also bootlegs. Like the Depot Street 45, the sound is pretty good but the printing on the label isn't very crisp and the cover has some variations from the original. I first bought one of the white label Live 'Legs brand new in a record store in 1981 which I'm sure is a counterfeit or pirate.

bootleg label

http://www.bonus-trax.com/Images/sleeves/pirate.jpg

Shelter/ABC (US)

http://www.bonus-trax.com/Images/sleeves/liveleg.jpg

Shelter/Island (UK)

http://www.bonus-trax.com/Images/sleeves/IDJ24.jpg

[Mudcrutch]

hmm interesting thanks. i will have to add some info to the page.

[Miami Steve]

I've come across some more information regarding the Depot Street single. Last month there was an eBay auction of what appears to be an authentic white label promo. The seller told me it was part of a large collection of promos acquired from a DJ. The images are a little small but you'll notice the similarities between the stock copy and the white label promo from eBay, the title is closer to the top of the label and the letters in Mudcrutch are widely spaced. The third image is the single I have which I believe is a counterfeit.

stock copy

http://www.mudcrutch.com/photos/data/500/depotstock242.jpg

white label promo

http://www.mudcrutch.com/photos/data/500/depotwlp242.jpg

counterfeit white label promo

http://www.mudcrutch.com/photos/data/500/depotboot242.jpg

I hesitate to say this definitively answers the question of which records are genuine and which are counterfeits but as for myself I would be much more confident paying top dollar for one of the first two records.

[Mudcrutch]

nice work steve. i think thats the conclusion of this mystery..

[Danny Roberts]

I played on both "Depot Street" & "Wild Eyes" and have a few of the original "Not For Re-Sale - DJ Copy" singles sittin' in a box in my cupboard.
Danny Roberts

[Miami Steve]

nice work steve. i think thats the conclusion of this mystery..

Just when you think you have it all figured out, I'm watching Runnin' Down Dream and at 32:42 there's a picture of a stock copy of Depot Street and darn if it doesn't look just like my (assumed) counterfeit white label promo except of course it has a yellow label with the red Shelter logo. The printing is similar though. I wish I could capture a screen shot and post it but my PC doesn't do DVD.

Hey Danny, if you ever have a chance to compare the images posted here to your 45s, I would certainly appreciate any comments you might have on the subject.

[Mudcrutch]

here it is:

http://www.mudcrutch.com/photos/data/583/medium/rdad_mudcrutch_single.jpg

Right around the same point Danny is also in a photo.

[Danny Roberts]

Yeah, mine's just like yers, except mine has a little sticker (Red w/white trim, sez "Sample Copy)) over on the right side between the title of the song and the Tarka Music Co. info. I've got about 10 of 'em buried around here somewhere. Isn't that funny? Mine are the first few ever pressed. They gave me a whole box of 'em that I gave away to friends and family. I thinks I'ze gonna look for those suckers.
Mo Later, DeeArrggghhhh!!!!!

[Danny Roberts]

Like I'ze awready iterated, mine are jes like the one shown by Mudcrutch, cept they have the red SAMPLE COPY on a lil red label wit white edges 'round it.

here it is:

http://www.mudcrutch.com/photos/data/583/medium/rdad_mudcrutch_single.jpg

Right around the same point Danny is also in a photo.

[Girl@thehighschooldance]

Just saw this thread again while "google-ing" mudcrutch vinyls. If the white label copys are counterfeit, then I am a sad panda because that is the only one I got. I don't want it to be fake! To anyone w/ a white label like the 3rd pic in Miami-Steve's post, does your's have etching on the vinyl? Would that make a difference in determining the authenticity of it? Mine has "MC3709W2 M.C." etched on the Depot Street side, and "MC3710W2 M.C. etched in the Wild Eyes side. Any more ideas or info out there?

[Miami Steve]

Just saw this thread again while "google-ing" mudcrutch vinyls. If the white label copys are counterfeit, then I am a sad panda because that is the only one I got. I don't want it to be fake! To anyone w/ a white label like the 3rd pic in Miami-Steve's post, does your's have etching on the vinyl? Would that make a difference in determining the authenticity of it? Mine has "MC3709W2 M.C." etched on the Depot Street side, and "MC3710W2 M.C. etched in the Wild Eyes side. Any more ideas or info out there?

Below is a photo from a recent eBay auction. Is this the one you bought? If so, I'd be pretty confident it's authentic. My counterfeit has MC 3709 W1 inscribed on it so there must have been two different pressings. The number itself doesn't indicate it's genuine or not, that's just the pressing that was used to make the counterfeit.

http://i11.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/de/6b/9486_1.JPG

[gatorhugger]

steve please post a pic of the wild eyes sides. Mine which I assume is fake, has the lettering distributed by MCA sloping slightly uneven. Also the print on my wild eys side is not as dark as the depot side.

[gatorhugger]

I will post a picture of my white promo today. Stangest one I have ever seen for a white promo. The Wild eyes printing is just odd. It starts off even, then starts to slope.
It is one of the narrow ones Steve said were probably copies.
I don't know. I think maybe all are fake or all are not.
Who would want to make copes back in the 80's of a band called mudcructh? Maybe there actually were cases of promo copies sitting around.
But I have also seen the ones that had white background, red lettering, and then had the little red and white "sample sticker" stuck to it. Like Danny was talking about.

My new theory is those white samples with red lettering were the first true batch, made for band and management, then came the white promos, then the stock copies. Very few to none of either the promos or stocks were distributed and ended in a few warehouses. The stock ones also has a production run of only a few hundred when the management push to release it passed., the promos had already been made so a couple thousand existed. That would account for the amount of promos showing up compared to the rare stock ones.
So a lot do look new, because of that reason.
And they are all quite real in that they were made in 1975. They have just been sitting in warehouses and then were bought by various distribution arms 10 years later. Then Miamisteve comes along and orders his and thinks it is counterfeit but it really is from a company with 100 trying to get rid of them. The one I just bought somewrote wote it in a flair pen, "2 of 4"
Sounds like someone had a few to sell. Probably less than 20. Maybe only 4. A counterfeiter wouldn't write on his merchandise like that.

I would imagine that a counterfeiter in 1985 would be doing beatles albums, and 60's rarities, not potentially worthless mudcrutch vinyl. TP wasn't exactly a sure hall of famer at that point.
Beginning to think all very much real, just never released to radio stations in masse. They languished in crates for 10 years and were sold to small distribution arms and stores known for copes and bootlegs.
So people put two and two together and think their 1975 mudcrutch is a fake because of where it came from. I think they were mistaken. They are all very authentic.

[tplover2]

My white label copy is precious to me! Thanks, Ref!

[_Imagine_]

has anyone got an mp3 of the up in mississippi single + the b side of it? pm me plz =(